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From: Mike D (no email)
Date: Sat Jun 23 2007 - 10:41:53 EDT
To say that by allowing cruisers to use the service free of charge makes it none commercial is naive at best. John does stand to gain from his venture by selling advertising and the more people he has using his service the more he can get from his advertisers on his site.
Myself I think its a great service and may sign up myself , but the question is of disclosure not weather John has a right to make a buck from his enterprise.
Mike D.
S/V Halcyon
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Miller
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re:What are the best methods for communicating with Family and Friends
a comment here as an onlooker
the fact that John allows people to use this site WITHOUT CHARGE
changes everything ...
while I totally agree with your point Alan that if the promotion was
commercialism then the link should have been noted up front. However
the lack of commercial gain by John both eliminates that requirement
and changes this situation to one where John should be commended (My
thank you included) for his service to cruisers and forward minded
thinking.
And letting people know is only making people aware of resources not
profit making ...
Bruce Miller
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:17 PM, John Noller wrote:
> Alan,
>
> One last thought - I never really tried to hide my identity and
> with just a name and e-mail address and a few clicks of a mouse you
> know a lot of personal data already. You more than prove my point
> and demonstrate why I recommend that cruiser are careful and give
> thought to the medium and information they commuicate over the
> internet.
>
> Fair Winds,
>
> John Noller
>
> Alan Friend <> wrote:
> John,
>
> Never mind my question. I just did a "WhoIs" lookup of the domain
> and see that you are the registrant of the SailTrac web site. I
> would recommend in future telling people that up front.
>
> Alan
>
> At 07:30 AM 6/22/2007, jcnoller wrote:
>
> >In the past I too used all the various web tools available to stay in
> >touch. I kept my own blog pages, posted my position reports with QTH
> >and had them display with Yotreps or Shiptrak because I wanted family
> >and friends to stay in touch and follow my journies. But the
> >internet today is not the friendly place it once was and these are
> >all public venues where anyone can see your personal information.
> >Unwanted comments, spam, and even inappropriate content can be posted
> >or linked onto any blog pages and then when "grandma" goes to view my
> >pages she get to read the crap that other people posted or she
> >wonders when did my grandson go from "cruising in Mexico"
> >to "cruising the sex trade" because of the links someone added to my
> >pages. And you can't do much about it either. There are other horror
> >stories too. Why in the world would you want the whole world aka the
> >world wide web to think well, here is another rich yachtie off
> >enjoying the good life and KNOW that you are 3000 miles from home and
> >they can trak you on the map day by day. There are stories of
> >cruiser's return to the states to find houses robbed, cars stolen,
> >and identities plucked. It's ugly.
> >
> >We all want to stay in touch but using a private secure network is
> >the only way to communicate with those YOU want to share information
> >with and Sailtrac was designed with this in mind. It is a new venue
> >designed to fill a niche and keep you, your information, and your
> >privacy safe and secure - all for free. It provides all those various
> >tools - mapping, journal, video, photos, and position reporting (and
> >remote updating!) all consolidated into one secure package. No spam,
> >no unwanted comments, and no public intrusion. If you are blogging
> >in this group then you have probably participated in other "crusing"
> >groups and know that some have degenerated into other types
> >of "cruising" topics. Don't make your friends and family view
> >inappropriate junk when checking in on your progress. When you
> >communicate with friends and family do it from a safe environment.
> >
> >
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