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From: (no name) (no email)
Date: Sat Apr 14 2007 - 10:23:04 EDT
Thank you Rebecca. You said what all of us are thinking. Amen.
Carol
Sweet Dreams - P385
----- Original Message -----
From: Conor Crowley <>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: [world-cruising] To the Guy writing on "Life changes bring
a new opportunity"
To:
> I don't suppose you have a sister ('bout 35, live in S.F.)??
>
> On 4/13/07, Rebecca Taft <> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I hope no-one knows me on this list…and I cant even
> believe Im
> > putting
> > energy in to talking to the guys that have the ignorance to
> write some of
> > this stuff…
> >
> > I once married a guy who said he wanted to sail around the world
> with me.
> > He
> > said he wouldn't go until I knew more…after all it takes 2 to go
> around> the
> > world says he. SO I studied, read, practiced, etc for 10
> years…then I
> > said-
> > OK I think IM ready. Of course the more I learned the less
> interested he
> > was
> > in it all. He of course said that we couldn't go around the
> world because
> > we
> > needed a better boat than what we had- a Catalina 36…So I worked
> hard to
> > get
> > the boat sold, and found and purchased a Valiant 40….he couldn't
> use the
> > boat as a poor excuse anymore…Then I saved my money and had
> enough to go
> > for
> > a few years….Then he said he never really wanted to go in the
> first place.
> > SO what did I do…I divorced his ass!!! And I went out and found
> a guy who
> > wanted to sail around the world with me. My fiancé calls me the
> beautiful> chic that came with a paid for boat, and knows or can
> figure out anything
> > to
> > do with any system on the boat! We have been working on getting
> ourselves> and the boat ready for 3 years now…and it goes in the
> water at the start
> > of
> > July. I was so bummed out when I found out that really we are
> going to
> > just
> > be living on it for 3 months before we depart…that we won't be
> able to
> > sail
> > that much quite yet.
> >
> > Anyways, point being…yeah there are a LOT OF WRONG PEOPLE out
> there for
> > sailing! Many nice people, but not sailors. And a sailor MUST
> have a
> > sailor
> > or its just doomed…We are a rare breed- male or female who enjoy
> going> out,
> > getting wet and cold, living in a small space, conserving water
> at all
> > times, losing a lot of sleep!!! We are a rare bunch that find
> the joy in
> > sailing. I almost wish I wasn't one of them- I could have maybe
> saved my
> > marriage if I didn't love this sport and my boat more! Its in
> our blood…we
> > cant get it out…sometimes we hate it ourselves, but we know we
> will always
> > come back for more. We look nutty to most of the world…there's
> only 1 in a
> > 1000 people who really like this stuff!!! It's hard to find a
> partner who
> > likes it, no loves it, embraces, it , lives for it like some of
> us do!
> > Male
> > or female!! Almost always one person is dragging the other!!!
> Obviously> you
> > have been dragging people aboard with no plan, no forsight, just
> a bunch
> > of
> > wishful thinking…and then putting down woman who may be great
> golfers,> great
> > at something else, just aren't sailors…what did you expect? I
> wasted 40
> > years of my life hoping a guy would come around and become a
> sailor with
> > me,
> > a hard core, full time, passionate sailor like me…but I wasn't
> looking in
> > the right places…til I went on a rally one day :-)
> >
> > Where did you meet the woman you talk about- at a bar? At
> church? Playing
> > golf? At work? What do you expect – that you are going to change
> someone's> inner core to like a sport that is inherently
> uncomfortable some of the
> > time, just because they thing your cute? Do you think you are
> just gonna
> > luck out? Go look in the right places to find a sailing partner
> and maybe
> > you will find one. I signed up to cross an ocean in really bad
> weather,> not
> > to find a guy but to try to stop myself from liking sailing so
> much. It
> > didn't work…I didn't mind taking my watch and throwing up every
> few hours
> > during it. It was a great challenge…I wanted more…I also met the
> man of my
> > dreams on that trip….someone who couldn't wait to do it again
> too…someone> who wanted to make his second circumnavigation with
> company this time. I
> > went in cautiously…didn't want to fall in love with someone who
> didn't> really want to go. You know what's really funny…we saved
> our money
> > together
> > buying and selling houses…and secretly we were BOTH saving on
> the side too
> > to make sure it would happen no matter what!…and both of us
> ended up
> > saving
> > within a few thousand dollars of each other on the side…so we
> doubled our
> > sailing kitty….that's 2 people that really want to go!!! And we are
> > going!!!
> > What do couples do that one person really wants to go and the other
> > doesn't…Anyways- my point is…why don't you look at other people
> who are
> > already sailors, who dream of sailing around the world, so you
> can share
> > the
> > same common goal. DO you think wasting your time on a board like
> this> rambling about how useless people you have sailed with are,
> will get you
> > somewhere? If you want to sail by yourself…go, go sail by
> yourself…I dont
> > think anyone will stop you….and if you want to sail with someone
> you love
> > and who loves you, stop looking in the wrong places, and stop
> being a jerk
> > of a guy, and maybe someone will want to drag you along with
> them!!! Maybe
> > they will even let you cook once in a while or haul the anchor
> if you
> > behave!
> >
> > Maybe you are a gruff, captain who likes just to yell and get
> impatient> like so many of the male sailors out there!!? Maybe you
> rush to do all the
> > lifting, raising sail, unhook from mooring when if you had a
> real sailing
> > woman on there with you she would make you look like a fool.
> Maybe you
> > think you want a woman to be right there alongside of you loving
> > everything
> > you love about sailing- but maybe you just want her to do the
> things you
> > don't like doing – like cleaning the head and making the meals-
> if that's
> > the case, maybe you will never find anyone to sail with!
> >
> > With all that said, I hope you will keep on announcing the
> things you have
> > announced in your email about woman…make it very verbal, very
> known….so> that
> > all the single sailing woman can recognize you as one of the old
> fools> with
> > no class, that they wouldn't want to be trapped on the water
> with…before> we
> > waste our precious time with another sailing guy who has no
> clue, and only
> > knows how to singlehand…no clue at being a captain…or mate for
> that matter
> > :-)
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: <world-
> cruising%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:> world-
> <world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On Behalf Of Michael Lahrkamp
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:54 PM
> > To: <world-
> cruising%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: RE: [world-cruising] Re:
> Life changes bring a new opportunity
> >
> > Amen brother ... been there... especially the part about needing
> to be
> > back by 4pm... which they tell you at 3pm and your 7+nm out!
> >
> > The trick is to find out in advance whether the lady will be high
> > maintenance. Not to difficult to determine if you watch their
> behaviour> in advance. 'Course you're assuming the risks if
> sailing IS the first
> > date.
> >
> > Fair winds,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Beneteau 411, Toronto, Canada
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of summer2004
> > Sent: April 13, 2007 12:04 PM
> > To: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re: Life changes bring a new
> opportunity>
> > I never re-think, nor do I apologize. "In my opinion" .. the
> women I
> > have met are pathetic complainers who are pains in the ass.
> >
> > They want to go sailing .. I invite them.
> >
> > On Saturday morning they show up at 11:45 am. I have been pacing for
> > hours.
> >
> > Once they unload their belongings, the first question is "have
> you had
> > lunch"?
> >
> > Next, they ask, "why don't we just hang out in the harbor so I
> can get a
> > tan".
> >
> > I end up doing all the lifting, raising sail, unhook from
> mooring, etc.
> >
> > As soon as the boat starts to heal "holy shit, we are turning over".
> >
> > Then, when the boat is a few miles out they tell me "I must be
> back at
> > 4pm".
> >
> > HELP..
> >
> > You can go on all day long about the great women sailors of the
> world.> Both of them are swell.
> >
> > But .. in my opinion .. women are pathetic when it comes to anything
> > having to do with sailing.
> >
> > I'd rather sail alone.
> >
> > sweetdreamswi@ <mailto:sweetdreamswi%40wi.rr.com> wi.rr.com
> > <mailto:sweetdreamswi%40wi.rr.com> wrote:
> > You obviously haven't seen too many people out there sailing because
> > there are alot of very capable women sailing single handed and also
> > cruising full time taking an equal partnership with handling the
> boat.> You should rethink your statement and correct.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: grant harris <gharr8 at yahoo dot <mailto:gharr8%
> <gharr8%25>40yahoo.com>> com
> > <mailto:gharr8% <gharr8%25>40yahoo.com> >
> > Date: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:18 pm
> > Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re: Life changes bring a new
> opportunity> To: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-
> cruising%40yahoogroups.com>> yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Don't be offended, Tender Spirit.
> > >
> > > Men leave women. Women leave men. I dont think either gender
> > > owns the rights to being victim or victimizer.
> > > Each gender bashes the other fairly regularly. It just depends
> > > what forum a person might happen to be reading at any given time.
> > >
> > > polar_palm_tree <polar_palm_tree@
> <mailto:polar_palm_tree%40yahoo.com>> yahoo.com
> > <mailto:polar_palm_tree%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > > WOW!
> > >
> > > > I may be a tarnished old single guy but: women are useless
> on a
> > > boat. They complain constantly. And the older they get the more
> > > pathetic they are on board.
> > > >
> > > I am sorry you feel that about all women. I am a woman, I take
> offense> > to that statement.....maybe it's just the women you
> have associated
> > > with. I know many women on boats both sailing and commercial
> fishing> > skippers that certainly do not fit in that
> catagory!!!!! Please don't
> > > sterotype us!
> > >
> > > S/V Tender Spirit
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