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From: Conor Crowley (no email)
Date: Fri Apr 13 2007 - 18:41:49 EDT
I don't suppose you have a sister ('bout 35, live in S.F.)??
On 4/13/07, Rebecca Taft <> wrote:
>
> Well, I hope no-one knows me on this list…and I cant even believe Im
> putting
> energy in to talking to the guys that have the ignorance to write some of
> this stuff…
>
> I once married a guy who said he wanted to sail around the world with me.
> He
> said he wouldn't go until I knew more…after all it takes 2 to go around
> the
> world says he. SO I studied, read, practiced, etc for 10 years…then I
> said-
> OK I think IM ready. Of course the more I learned the less interested he
> was
> in it all. He of course said that we couldn't go around the world because
> we
> needed a better boat than what we had- a Catalina 36…So I worked hard to
> get
> the boat sold, and found and purchased a Valiant 40….he couldn't use the
> boat as a poor excuse anymore…Then I saved my money and had enough to go
> for
> a few years….Then he said he never really wanted to go in the first place.
> SO what did I do…I divorced his ass!!! And I went out and found a guy who
> wanted to sail around the world with me. My fiancé calls me the beautiful
> chic that came with a paid for boat, and knows or can figure out anything
> to
> do with any system on the boat! We have been working on getting ourselves
> and the boat ready for 3 years now…and it goes in the water at the start
> of
> July. I was so bummed out when I found out that really we are going to
> just
> be living on it for 3 months before we depart…that we won't be able to
> sail
> that much quite yet.
>
> Anyways, point being…yeah there are a LOT OF WRONG PEOPLE out there for
> sailing! Many nice people, but not sailors. And a sailor MUST have a
> sailor
> or its just doomed…We are a rare breed- male or female who enjoy going
> out,
> getting wet and cold, living in a small space, conserving water at all
> times, losing a lot of sleep!!! We are a rare bunch that find the joy in
> sailing. I almost wish I wasn't one of them- I could have maybe saved my
> marriage if I didn't love this sport and my boat more! Its in our blood…we
> cant get it out…sometimes we hate it ourselves, but we know we will always
> come back for more. We look nutty to most of the world…there's only 1 in a
> 1000 people who really like this stuff!!! It's hard to find a partner who
> likes it, no loves it, embraces, it , lives for it like some of us do!
> Male
> or female!! Almost always one person is dragging the other!!! Obviously
> you
> have been dragging people aboard with no plan, no forsight, just a bunch
> of
> wishful thinking…and then putting down woman who may be great golfers,
> great
> at something else, just aren't sailors…what did you expect? I wasted 40
> years of my life hoping a guy would come around and become a sailor with
> me,
> a hard core, full time, passionate sailor like me…but I wasn't looking in
> the right places…til I went on a rally one day :-)
>
> Where did you meet the woman you talk about- at a bar? At church? Playing
> golf? At work? What do you expect – that you are going to change someone's
> inner core to like a sport that is inherently uncomfortable some of the
> time, just because they thing your cute? Do you think you are just gonna
> luck out? Go look in the right places to find a sailing partner and maybe
> you will find one. I signed up to cross an ocean in really bad weather,
> not
> to find a guy but to try to stop myself from liking sailing so much. It
> didn't work…I didn't mind taking my watch and throwing up every few hours
> during it. It was a great challenge…I wanted more…I also met the man of my
> dreams on that trip….someone who couldn't wait to do it again too…someone
> who wanted to make his second circumnavigation with company this time. I
> went in cautiously…didn't want to fall in love with someone who didn't
> really want to go. You know what's really funny…we saved our money
> together
> buying and selling houses…and secretly we were BOTH saving on the side too
> to make sure it would happen no matter what!…and both of us ended up
> saving
> within a few thousand dollars of each other on the side…so we doubled our
> sailing kitty….that's 2 people that really want to go!!! And we are
> going!!!
> What do couples do that one person really wants to go and the other
> doesn't…Anyways- my point is…why don't you look at other people who are
> already sailors, who dream of sailing around the world, so you can share
> the
> same common goal. DO you think wasting your time on a board like this
> rambling about how useless people you have sailed with are, will get you
> somewhere? If you want to sail by yourself…go, go sail by yourself…I dont
> think anyone will stop you….and if you want to sail with someone you love
> and who loves you, stop looking in the wrong places, and stop being a jerk
> of a guy, and maybe someone will want to drag you along with them!!! Maybe
> they will even let you cook once in a while or haul the anchor if you
> behave!
>
> Maybe you are a gruff, captain who likes just to yell and get impatient
> like so many of the male sailors out there!!? Maybe you rush to do all the
> lifting, raising sail, unhook from mooring when if you had a real sailing
> woman on there with you she would make you look like a fool. Maybe you
> think you want a woman to be right there alongside of you loving
> everything
> you love about sailing- but maybe you just want her to do the things you
> don't like doing – like cleaning the head and making the meals- if that's
> the case, maybe you will never find anyone to sail with!
>
> With all that said, I hope you will keep on announcing the things you have
> announced in your email about woman…make it very verbal, very known….so
> that
> all the single sailing woman can recognize you as one of the old fools
> with
> no class, that they wouldn't want to be trapped on the water with…before
> we
> waste our precious time with another sailing guy who has no clue, and only
> knows how to singlehand…no clue at being a captain…or mate for that matter
> :-)
>
> Rebecca
>
> _____
>
> From: <world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> <world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Michael Lahrkamp
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:54 PM
> To: <world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [world-cruising] Re: Life changes bring a new opportunity
>
> Amen brother ... been there... especially the part about needing to be
> back by 4pm... which they tell you at 3pm and your 7+nm out!
>
> The trick is to find out in advance whether the lady will be high
> maintenance. Not to difficult to determine if you watch their behaviour
> in advance. 'Course you're assuming the risks if sailing IS the first
> date.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Mike
>
> Beneteau 411, Toronto, Canada
>
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>
> From: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of summer2004
> Sent: April 13, 2007 12:04 PM
> To: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re: Life changes bring a new opportunity
>
> I never re-think, nor do I apologize. "In my opinion" .. the women I
> have met are pathetic complainers who are pains in the ass.
>
> They want to go sailing .. I invite them.
>
> On Saturday morning they show up at 11:45 am. I have been pacing for
> hours.
>
> Once they unload their belongings, the first question is "have you had
> lunch"?
>
> Next, they ask, "why don't we just hang out in the harbor so I can get a
> tan".
>
> I end up doing all the lifting, raising sail, unhook from mooring, etc.
>
> As soon as the boat starts to heal "holy shit, we are turning over".
>
> Then, when the boat is a few miles out they tell me "I must be back at
> 4pm".
>
> HELP..
>
> You can go on all day long about the great women sailors of the world.
> Both of them are swell.
>
> But .. in my opinion .. women are pathetic when it comes to anything
> having to do with sailing.
>
> I'd rather sail alone.
>
> sweetdreamswi@ <mailto:sweetdreamswi%40wi.rr.com> wi.rr.com
> <mailto:sweetdreamswi%40wi.rr.com> wrote:
> You obviously haven't seen too many people out there sailing because
> there are alot of very capable women sailing single handed and also
> cruising full time taking an equal partnership with handling the boat.
> You should rethink your statement and correct.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: grant harris <gharr8 at yahoo dot <mailto:gharr8% <gharr8%25>40yahoo.com>
> com
> <mailto:gharr8% <gharr8%25>40yahoo.com> >
> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re: Life changes bring a new opportunity
> To: world-cruising@ <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:world-cruising%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Don't be offended, Tender Spirit.
> >
> > Men leave women. Women leave men. I dont think either gender
> > owns the rights to being victim or victimizer.
> > Each gender bashes the other fairly regularly. It just depends
> > what forum a person might happen to be reading at any given time.
> >
> > polar_palm_tree <polar_palm_tree@ <mailto:polar_palm_tree%40yahoo.com>
> yahoo.com
> <mailto:polar_palm_tree%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > WOW!
> >
> > > I may be a tarnished old single guy but: women are useless on a
> > boat. They complain constantly. And the older they get the more
> > pathetic they are on board.
> > >
> > I am sorry you feel that about all women. I am a woman, I take offense
> > to that statement.....maybe it's just the women you have associated
> > with. I know many women on boats both sailing and commercial fishing
> > skippers that certainly do not fit in that catagory!!!!! Please don't
> > sterotype us!
> >
> > S/V Tender Spirit
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