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Date: Wed Jun 21 2006 - 18:34:44 EDT
Well being a multidisciplined engineer too with a very very analytical mind
and a strong desire to understand 'mysteries' - all i learned was that there
was no accurate and detailed information available to explain in any sensible
way this whole situation - there appears to be a lack or real info and a glut
of misinformation - no one seems to know when they left - there seems to
have been no voyage plan posted with anyone and so far i have yet to hear if the
EPIRB was activated and what was said on the sat phone other than "we need
rescued" So basically i learned that rumour and opinion and reports in such a
situation where there are no first hand hard reports from the people
involved - are pure conjecture and useless in helping me learn from such incidents.
Truly dont know what the purpose of the list is apart from to bring togetehr
those interested or thinking about world cruising - i suspect that when i
get out cruising i wont be posting here so i suppose it is more about desktop
sailing rather than being out in the wild blue yonder.
Of course real reports from people who are just about to leave or who have
just come back or are out there cruising whether about good times or incidents
are very interesting and are generally very thought provoking and useful -
that story was a worry for so many reasons mostly because it left behind more
questions than answers. I found the Eclipse story very interesting
especially so as the whole sad event seemed to be totally at odds with his writings -
sadly a case of writing about something being totally different from the real
life situation.
regards
David
In a message dated 21/06/2006 22:28:08 GMT Daylight Time,
writes:
Pretty good summarization. It is unfortunate that there was nobody around
who knew a little bit more about this incident, or the weather patterns.
Analysing this event is exactly what I wanted to do, I have that in the past
and got some fairly good results. One of them was Richard Woods abandoned
Catamaran, and the other the mishap on the Almesian en-route to Bermuda.
A good friend of mine, and fellow club memberm Chris Ferrer was a crew on
Almesian. He has since then given 2 talks with slide shows for us to analyse
that event twhich led to the demise of the skipper.
Perhaps it is my Engineering/Management background that believes in the
power of Case History's
In any case, true .. I learned that there is remarkable little historical
data on conditions in the North Atlantic, and that it is difficult to estimate
wave heights from a fixed wing aircraft :)
Ahmet
www.sailnomad.com
wrote:
You aren't mistaken about the nature and purpose of the list. But in order
to learn from the incident, it is necessary to be sure what it is that we are
to learn. And to do that, some analysis of the actual events is required. It
is not a criticsm of you that people are questioning what happened, and I
don't think you should take it that way.
What I learned was - I should take account of the weather before I start
off. And I pretty much already do that. The times that I have not done so, I
have paid the price, although it was obviously not as great a price as these
people paid. If I haven't told that story, I would be glad to do so.
I also learned that it isn't possible to estimate wave height from a plane,
and that the winds at an altitude are different from the winds on the
surface. I kind of knew that - at least I wasn't surprised to learn it, but it had
not been explicit in my mind before.
I would hope that you learned some things also - specifically that newspaper
and media accounts are not always accurate, and that storms always rotate.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ahmet <>
>Sent: Jun 21, 2006 11:32 AM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Moderator Comment: Lost 4 world-cruisers
Thread
>
>Sorry Chuck, I replied to Judy before I saw your post.
> Although the discussion took a totally different turn from what I hoped, I
would not consider this a "heated" argument.
> Nonetheless, it was going in circles. I would have thought that incidents
like this would be of great interest for boaters who are currently cruising
around the world, or planning to.
> Apparantly I was mistaken in the nature/purpose of this list
> So, I apologize for the wasted bandwidth
> Ahmet
> www.sailnomad.com
>
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