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From: chuck (no email)
Date: Mon Jun 19 2006 - 16:23:30 EDT
Very sad - but what happened to waiting for a good
weather window - and speak of unnessary risks - some
commented that some could not say no - hey folks if it
is your life or if things don't seem right it is the
correct thing to do to say NO -- if anyone thinks the
less of them shame on them - i use to climb big
mountains and refused to climb if i did not think the
conditions were right and the people i was to climb
with had the required skill - as with climbing and on
the sea, once you have departed the captain is in
charge as each crew member should determine if the
captain knows what they are doing and the crew can
function given the task at hand prior to departure -
same with climbing - if i feel the person is taking
undue risk does not mean i have to put my life on the
line for their ego
just my thoughts
chuck and soulmates
--- Ahmet <> wrote:
> http://www.turnto10.com/news/9381365/detail.html
>
> Ok .. so we loose another one ?
> It is distressing to hear these stories.
> I don't post here often, but whenever one of these
> stories comes to life, It is a good opportunity to
> try to figure out what went wrong.
>
>
> I will be a bit opinionated her, but here is my
> short take.
>
> The skipper seems to have been somewat of a
> troubled guy. he declared bankrupcy twice, was
> barred from practicing law, so I guess he decided to
> sail around the world.
> It is unknown how much experience he had, but I
> don't think much. Perhaps the third guy was the one
> who had some experience. Otherwise, it was a crew of
> novices attempting this voyage.
>
> They say that he spent 3 months preparing the
> boat. It does not seem to be a very extensive refit
> to me.
> The EPIRB that they found was not registered.
> There are just too many tell-tale signs pointing
> to a gong-ho group who did somehow underestimate the
> dangers of this type of a trip.
>
> Granted, once they were in 90 - 100 knot winds and
> 30 ft waves, it did not matter much how much
> preparation they had and how sturdy the boat is. At
> that point it is sheer luck if a boat would survive.
> Can you imagine lying flat on the ocean almost
> continiously within 30 ft waves.
> They probably pitchpoled and sank.
> I am surprized that they did not find a liferaft.
> However, even deploying a life raft under those
> condistions is nearly impossible.
>
> This, of course, begs the question. Why did they
> leave when Alberto was approaching ? All the other
> factors are irrelevant. The overwhelming big
> mistake, lack of seamanship, and the one that will
> kill you is to leave on the wake of a impending
> storm.
> It is very typical that the storm track blows off
> Nova Scotia. Since they were 200 miles off on
> thurstay, they must have left on Wednesday, just
> areound when Alberto turned around and was comign at
> them.
> It was a stupid mistake !
> I feel for all the lost sailors. But most of all,
> I feel for that poor 21 year old girl, Molly Finn,
> and the guy's 19 year old son. They had no choice
> but follow the decision of the father, and did not
> have enough experience to say .. "No I am not going"
>
> There is still a very very slight chance that they
> may show up in a liferaft, but ....it would be a
> miracle
>
> All one can do is hope that people learn from
> other's mistakes, so that we can make world-cruising
> a safe and enjoyable pastime
> Ahmet
> www.sailnomad.com
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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