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From: Ahmet (no email)
Date: Mon Jun 19 2006 - 14:59:07 EDT
. All the other information, is from various news sources.
- The Epirb was found.. It was unregistered, but they suspect it belonged to Free Spirit.
- The guy declared bankrupcy twice in 5 years.
- He spent 3 months refitting the boat.
I have been following the story since last Friday, and as a matter of fact, I fell extremely distressed hearing about it. I have been pretty much trying to get information and hoping/praying that they would be found alive.
When the discouraging news came out today that they had abandoned the search, I decided to open this for a discussion.
Up to now I have been walking around shaking my head and trying to figure out how somebody could get themselves into such trouble.
Here for example is another source. (bankrupcy)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1090343.ece
This article mentions the EPIRB
http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/update/
I am not sure if the article suggests that the sinking was a scam. I certaily hope so.
Perhaps because I have agonized over the loss of these 4, and wanted to find some answers, my tone may have been provocative.
I and many others on this list, either plan, dream of, or have done this same trip. Therefore it hits home more than any other tragic life loss due to an accident.
I am agonizing about this tragic accident, and I feel very much for what those poor people must have felt as their boat was sinking. THerefore, I also have anger towards the skipper, who seemed to have made some very irresponsible decisions.
I may be wrong, and perhaps others on this list may be able to give more insight/speculation, educated guess on what happened.
Ahmet
www.sailnomad.com
Boston,MA
TIMOTHY SEED <> wrote:
Ahmet,
Where are you getting this data/information from ?
The web link - speaks nothing of former professions, refit times, un-registered EPIRB's etc.
As someone who in cave diving has lost a fair few friends, but who has heard even more "C**p" about these tradjic events - just where are these facts to be found ? Is it your local knowledge ? Or Chat Room based ? I note that you say your reply was opinionated, and that's fine.... and everyone is entitled to that.... but you seem to know lots more than seems to be in the public domain... based on fact or supposition ?
I think a more consilitory tone should be "We are sorry to hear about the loss of 4 souls, and look forward to hearing either some first hand account or the official report into the incident, so that other people may learn from this". Speculation does no-one, including those who have perished any good.
A fact that I note that you also have ended you comment on.
Respectfully
Tim
s/y Entre-Deux-Mers
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Sent: Mon 19/06/2006 21:31
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Subject: [world-cruising] Lost 4 world-cruisers
http://www.turnto10.com/news/9381365/detail.html <http://www.turnto10.com/news/9381365/detail.html>
Ok .. so we loose another one ?
It is distressing to hear these stories.
I don't post here often, but whenever one of these stories comes to life, It is a good opportunity to try to figure out what went wrong.
I will be a bit opinionated her, but here is my short take.
The skipper seems to have been somewat of a troubled guy. he declared bankrupcy twice, was barred from practicing law, so I guess he decided to sail around the world.
It is unknown how much experience he had, but I don't think much. Perhaps the third guy was the one who had some experience. Otherwise, it was a crew of novices attempting this voyage.
They say that he spent 3 months preparing the boat. It does not seem to be a very extensive refit to me.
The EPIRB that they found was not registered.
There are just too many tell-tale signs pointing to a gong-ho group who did somehow underestimate the dangers of this type of a trip.
Granted, once they were in 90 - 100 knot winds and 30 ft waves, it did not matter much how much preparation they had and how sturdy the boat is. At that point it is sheer luck if a boat would survive. Can you imagine lying flat on the ocean almost continiously within 30 ft waves.
They probably pitchpoled and sank.
I am surprized that they did not find a liferaft. However, even deploying a life raft under those condistions is nearly impossible.
This, of course, begs the question. Why did they leave when Alberto was approaching ? All the other factors are irrelevant. The overwhelming big mistake, lack of seamanship, and the one that will kill you is to leave on the wake of a impending storm.
It is very typical that the storm track blows off Nova Scotia. Since they were 200 miles off on thurstay, they must have left on Wednesday, just areound when Alberto turned around and was comign at them.
It was a stupid mistake !
I feel for all the lost sailors. But most of all, I feel for that poor 21 year old girl, Molly Finn, and the guy's 19 year old son. They had no choice but follow the decision of the father, and did not have enough experience to say .. "No I am not going"
There is still a very very slight chance that they may show up in a liferaft, but ....it would be a miracle
All one can do is hope that people learn from other's mistakes, so that we can make world-cruising a safe and enjoyable pastime
Ahmet
www.sailnomad.com
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