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From: cirejay (no email)
Date: Sat Jun 03 2006 - 07:45:30 EDT
--- In , "Ken James" <nautikat at dot dot dot >
wrote:
>
> I'm not saying it can't happen or has never happened, only that
the threat
> is not nearly as large as some suggest.
>
> I am sure that is true. However that does not negate the fact that
it is in
> fact a very real and signifigent risk.
>
> Personally, I've never met anyone
> who has had a collision with a container, nor have I seen an email
from such
> a person.
>
> I don't know about emails, but there have been many, many reports
in sources
> over the web and in published documents as well as studies, Gov't
and
> othewise, that reveal the risk to be a valid concern.
>
> I have, however, met many sailors who delight in fabricating
> stories of the dangers "out thar".
>
>
> Sure. And many who deny actual risks as well.
>
>
> The physics of containers will result in nearly every one sinking
shortly
> after they're lost overboard.
>
>
> In fact it is true that most remain afoat at least for some time.
Also a
> signifigent percentage float for much longer times. A few may
float for
> weeks or months. If there are thousands a year being lost and only
5% float
> that is still a lot of hazards that are very hard to spot.
>
>
> a Containers are steel. They are not air- or
> watertight.
>
> Some are in fact. But true most are not.
>
> Typically, containers are filled to capacity, because the
> shippers charge just as much to ship an empty container as a full
one. So,
> for a container to remain "semi-submerged" - i.e., partially
afloat - it
> must be filled with cargo that will displace the weight of the
container
> plus any water it ships. That can happen; it just won't happen
often.
>
> What makes you think that is so? If you research the matter you
will see
> that in fact all sorts of cargo has been found in floating
containers,
> shoes, electronics, books, toys, wood pulp, too much stuff to
mention.
> There has even been the suggestion to put a dissovable plug in
them to make
> them sink but it was pointed out it would not work, due to the
buyancey of
> the cargo.
>
> There are as many as 10,000 containers lost over the side of ships
every
> year;
>
> http://www.cargolaw.com/2004nightmare_unstacked.html
>
> At least some of them float and are a hazard;
>
> http://www.oceannavigator.com/article.php?a=1008
>
> There is plenty of evidence that collision with them is a real
risk and does
> happen on a regular basis, some of these are well reported
collisions by
> well known sailors fairly recently;
>
>
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2001/May2001/May21/May21.html
>
> http://www.ganssle.com/jack/aarwen.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vend%C3%A9e_Globe
>
> http://www.cruisingconnections.co.za/forums/topic.asp?
TOPIC_ID=71&whichpage=2
>
> http://no-barriers.com/node/108
>
> http://www.sailingsource.com/scuttlebutteurope/951.php
>
>
> There are three risks that are commonly underestimated in my
opinion that
> any cruising boat that sails long enough may well have happen,
lightning,
> hitiing a whale, and hitting a container. Here is info about
vessels hitting
> whales, not that uncommon;
>
> http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/shipstrike/lwssdata.pdf
>
> The thing about shipping containers that makes them dangerous is
that they
> are very hard to detect.-Ken
>
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