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[world-cruising] the dangers of sem submerged containers

From: Ken James (no email)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2006 - 22:00:17 EDT

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    I'm not saying it can't happen or has never happened, only that the threat
    is not nearly as large as some suggest.

    I am sure that is true. However that does not negate the fact that it is in
    fact a very real and signifigent risk.

     Personally, I've never met anyone
    who has had a collision with a container, nor have I seen an email from such
    a person.

    I don't know about emails, but there have been many, many reports in sources
    over the web and in published documents as well as studies, Gov't and
    othewise, that reveal the risk to be a valid concern.

      I have, however, met many sailors who delight in fabricating
    stories of the dangers "out thar".

    Sure. And many who deny actual risks as well.

    The physics of containers will result in nearly every one sinking shortly
    after they're lost overboard.

    In fact it is true that most remain afoat at least for some time. Also a
    signifigent percentage float for much longer times. A few may float for
    weeks or months. If there are thousands a year being lost and only 5% float
    that is still a lot of hazards that are very hard to spot.

     a Containers are steel. They are not air- or
    watertight.

    Some are in fact. But true most are not.

    Typically, containers are filled to capacity, because the
    shippers charge just as much to ship an empty container as a full one. So,
    for a container to remain "semi-submerged" - i.e., partially afloat - it
    must be filled with cargo that will displace the weight of the container
    plus any water it ships. That can happen; it just won't happen often.

    What makes you think that is so? If you research the matter you will see
    that in fact all sorts of cargo has been found in floating containers,
    shoes, electronics, books, toys, wood pulp, too much stuff to mention.
    There has even been the suggestion to put a dissovable plug in them to make
    them sink but it was pointed out it would not work, due to the buyancey of
    the cargo.

    There are as many as 10,000 containers lost over the side of ships every
    year;

    http://www.cargolaw.com/2004nightmare_unstacked.html

    At least some of them float and are a hazard;

    http://www.oceannavigator.com/article.php?a=1008

    There is plenty of evidence that collision with them is a real risk and does
    happen on a regular basis, some of these are well reported collisions by
    well known sailors fairly recently;

    http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2001/May2001/May21/May21.html

    http://www.ganssle.com/jack/aarwen.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vend%C3%A9e_Globe

    http://www.cruisingconnections.co.za/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71&whichpage=2

    http://no-barriers.com/node/108

    http://www.sailingsource.com/scuttlebutteurope/951.php

    There are three risks that are commonly underestimated in my opinion that
    any cruising boat that sails long enough may well have happen, lightning,
    hitiing a whale, and hitting a container. Here is info about vessels hitting
    whales, not that uncommon;

    http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/shipstrike/lwssdata.pdf

    The thing about shipping containers that makes them dangerous is that they
    are very hard to detect.-Ken

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