[world-cruising] Medial treatment

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Date: Sat Oct 01 2005 - 14:15:30 EDT

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I'm sure this is a common concern, but what do you do about medical insurance and treatment when outside US waters?? I have just begun researching.

Deb
s/v nauti-gal II

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1. Re: slip rent
From: Denis Batcheller
2. Re: slip rent
From: "Mike D."
3. Re: slip
From:
4. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: "chip"
5. RE: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: "Dwight Yachuk"
6. Re: Re: slip
From: Rosalie B.
7. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: Bryan Genez
8. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: Chuck Morford
9. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: Courtney Thomas
10. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: Chuck Morford
11. DockageFees
From: "Judy Rouse"
12. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
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13. Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
From: David White
14. slip fees
From: "Thomas"

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:44:04 -0400
From: Denis Batcheller
Subject: Re: slip rent

Dave,

Should have shared the details, sorry. The $28 ft is for in-water
storage for the winter season. Need to be out in May. The summer
slip rental was $114 ft this year. It probably will go up for next
year, it has every year for a while.

Denis-

On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Dave J wrote:

> Wow, 28$ a FOOT ?? is that per month ?? I'd hope not !!
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> For just a 40 foot boat that's $ 1120.00.
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> An ungodly amount of $$$$$$ for simply a place to tie up if that's
> a monthly
> cost. Now if it's yearly then that makes sense.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:53:51 -0400
From: "Mike D."
Subject: Re: slip rent

A sudden flush of gratitude has come over me thinking of how little I pay
for my mooring..there has got to be a better way.

Mike D.
S/V Halcyon

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From: "Dave J"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: [world-cruising] slip rent

> Wow, 28$ a FOOT ?? is that per month ?? I'd hope not !!
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> For just a 40 foot boat that's $ 1120.00.
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> An ungodly amount of $$$$$$ for simply a place to tie up if that's a
monthly
> cost. Now if it's yearly then that makes sense.
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> Dave J
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> > At Brewer's Sakonnett in Portsmouth you can live-aboard in the water
> > for $28 ft plus metered electricity and proof of insurance. Very well
> > sheltered from the weather. Borden Light up the bay may be less
> > expensive. www,bordenlight.com. I don't know of any moorings
> > available in the winter. Someone suggested Warwick, there were a few
> > independent yards in Warwick Cove. Some have been bought by chains,
> > but bargains may be available. Obviously the East Passage and
> > Newport are Rhode Island's Gold Coast.
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> > Good Luck
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:34:23 EDT
From:
Subject: Re: slip

Riveria Beach Marina includes water & Ele and the monthly cost for a slip
on a 40' boat is $708 this is just across from Palm Beach, Fl

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:57:56 -0400
From: "chip"
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees

----- Original Message -----

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:48:05 -0600
> From: "Dave J"
> Subject: slip rent
>Wow, 28$ a FOOT ?? is that per month ?? I'd hope not !!
> For just a 40 foot boat that's $ 1120.00.
> An ungodly amount of $$$$$$ for simply a place to tie up if that's a
> monthly
> cost. Now if it's yearly then that makes sense.
> Dave J
> StarShine
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Hey Dave et al:
I'd heard of prices like that being charged for the "season" but including
haulout, drystorage and launch.

My problem's similar but ...
I'd been tearing out my hair (what little's left) trying to find affordable
dockage - or even a mooring - anywhere in Florida last year. I was stunned.
Cheapest place I could find was more than $600/month with no facilities
(shoreside shower etc) for a 30-footer I was trying to buy.
Nobody could tell me why the price for dock space was increasing so
dramatically until I read a story in the Palm Beach Post which said that,
since the substantial hurricane damages last year, it was far more
profitable for damaged marinas to sell out to developers than to stay in the
marina biz.
The story said that - at the time of that writing - south Florida's east
coast had seen 73 marinas sold after damage. All 73 were sold to "land
developers" who would turn that waterfront into new homes & condominiums
etc.
Supply and demand has hiked Florida dockage toward the stratosphere and it's
still climbing.
I foolishly decided that, rather than pay that much for dock space, I'd just
buy some waterfront land. Saltwater-waterfront, that is, as I already had a
nice piece of lakefront, but wanted to get back to saltwater, which is where
I'd grown up.
Boy was I in for another shock.
Even on small, freshwater canals which lead into saltwater - even in the
middle of the state - waterfront land is about $1,000,000 per acre. I found
little bitty lots - just big enough for a small mobile home, for $250,000.
Rock bottom prices.
I found a couple one-acre pieces in the middle of the state with freshwater
access into the ICW - those were $1M/acre.
So ... I bought a smaller, trailerable boat and will have to wait til ...
til ... uh ... Well, I'm guessing I'll never ever have saltwater-access
waterfront. For sure not in Florida, where I was born and raised ...
Guess I better finish writing that novel ...

What do you (everybody) pay for dock space and where are you? Fresh or salt?
canal, river, lake, bay?
I'm really curious and would be happy to sell my places here and move
somewhere I could keep a boat tied up out back. I had that at the lake, but
really really really want to get back to saltwater ...

chip in central florida (and here to stay, I bet)

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:09 -0400
From: "Dwight Yachuk"
Subject: RE: Dgst738-DockageFees

Hi Chip,

Well I pay $800 Cdn a year for dockage, haulout and winter storage for my 25 foot Kirby up here in Ottawa Canada and that's at one of the more expensive marinas.

When I retire I'm going to cruise for sure but I'll probably reside in Mexico or somewhere in Central America. My pension will be worth 10X what it will be here in Canada (or in the USA).

I understand your roots are in Florida but unless you've suceeded in the American dream, it's not a place where you can afford to live a decent life anymore.

Good luck in your search.

Dwight Yachuk
Gabrielle, Kirby 25 #4, Ottawa River, Canada
Chispa, Jenneau Lagoon 37 Windward Islands

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chip in central florida (and here to stay, I bet)

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:37:28 -0400
From: Rosalie B.
Subject: Re: Re: slip

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:34:23 EDT, you wrote:

>Riveria Beach Marina includes water & Ele and the monthly cost for a slip
>on a 40' boat is $708 this is just across from Palm Beach, Fl
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That's only $17.70/ft. Does that include the live-aboard fee, or
isn't there one? Last time we were there (about 5 years ago) they
were planning to move. Have they done that? It was in a very seedy
and unsafe feeling area at that time.

grandma Rosalie

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:19:25 -0400
From: Bryan Genez
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees

On 9/29/05, chip wrote:
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> What do you (everybody) pay for dock space and where are you? Fresh or
> salt?
> canal, river, lake, bay?
> I'm really curious and would be happy to sell my places here and move
> somewhere I could keep a boat tied up out back. I had that at the lake,
> but
> really really really want to get back to saltwater ...
>
> chip in central florida (and here to stay, I bet)

I always wondered what people liked about Florida [BEG]!
I've kept my 40' Valiant in the Chesapeake Bay near Annapolis since 1988
(brackish water). For the past 10 years, I've been at a private dock very
convenient to Annapolis and the Bay. Dock, water, and electricity cost me a
bit over $2000/year. [BTW, the owners haven't yet rented the space afterI
leave next week, so if you're interested, email me privately and I'll send
you contact info.]
Next week, I move the boat to New Bern, NC (fresh water with deep water
access to the ICW and the Atlantic). We'll be living aboard near downtown at
a marina owned by the Sheraton Hotel. Slip plus liveaboard fee (includes
water, cable TV, wireless broadband, and pump-out but electricity is extra)
will run me a little under $1500 for six months. This is the most expensive
place in town, but it's best while we're living aboard. The six-month fee is
a 10% reduction over the month-to-month. After the first six months, we'll
be in our house, so I may look for a less-expensive location.
FWIW, New Bern is ice-free. They have winter, but there is no requirement
to winterize boats in the water. As I said, don't understand why people like
Florida ;-)

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Bryan Genez
"Capella" V40-158
Annapolis, MD -> New Bern, NC
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Message: 8 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Morford 
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
Hey Brian, some of my friends are moving their
Tayana 42, this week, to the Sheraton in New
Bern!
They're great people...Look for DogStar at the
marina and tell them I sent ya...
--- Bryan Genez wrote:
> On 9/29/05, chip wrote:
> >
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> > What do you (everybody) pay for dock space
> and where are you? Fresh or
> > salt?
> > canal, river, lake, bay?
> > I'm really curious and would be happy to sell
> my places here and move
> > somewhere I could keep a boat tied up out
> back. I had that at the lake,
> > but
> > really really really want to get back to
> saltwater ...
> >
> > chip in central florida (and here to stay, I
> bet)
> 
> I always wondered what people liked about
> Florida [BEG]!
> I've kept my 40' Valiant in the Chesapeake Bay
> near Annapolis since 1988
> (brackish water). For the past 10 years, I've
> been at a private dock very
> convenient to Annapolis and the Bay. Dock,
> water, and electricity cost me a
> bit over $2000/year. [BTW, the owners haven't
> yet rented the space afterI
> leave next week, so if you're interested, email
> me privately and I'll send
> you contact info.]
> Next week, I move the boat to New Bern, NC
> (fresh water with deep water
> access to the ICW and the Atlantic). We'll be
> living aboard near downtown at
> a marina owned by the Sheraton Hotel. Slip plus
> liveaboard fee (includes
> water, cable TV, wireless broadband, and
> pump-out but electricity is extra)
> will run me a little under $1500 for six
> months. This is the most expensive
> place in town, but it's best while we're living
> aboard. The six-month fee is
> a 10% reduction over the month-to-month. After
> the first six months, we'll
> be in our house, so I may look for a
> less-expensive location.
> FWIW, New Bern is ice-free. They have winter,
> but there is no requirement
> to winterize boats in the water. As I said,
> don't understand why people like
> Florida ;-)
> 
> --
> Best,
> Bryan Genez
> "Capella" V40-158
> Annapolis, MD -> New Bern, NC
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Message: 9 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:21:12 -0500
From: Courtney Thomas 
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
Bryan,
What's the draft on your boat. I'm under the impression that the water
is shallow from Oriental to New Bern. Hope I'm wrong :-)
Cordially,
Courtney
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 08:19, Bryan Genez wrote:
> On 9/29/05, chip wrote:
> >
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> > What do you (everybody) pay for dock space and where are you? Fresh or
> > salt?
> > canal, river, lake, bay?
> > I'm really curious and would be happy to sell my places here and move
> > somewhere I could keep a boat tied up out back. I had that at the lake,
> > but
> > really really really want to get back to saltwater ...
> >
> > chip in central florida (and here to stay, I bet)
> 
> I always wondered what people liked about Florida [BEG]!
> I've kept my 40' Valiant in the Chesapeake Bay near Annapolis since 1988
> (brackish water). For the past 10 years, I've been at a private dock very
> convenient to Annapolis and the Bay. Dock, water, and electricity cost me a
> bit over $2000/year. [BTW, the owners haven't yet rented the space afterI
> leave next week, so if you're interested, email me privately and I'll send
> you contact info.]
> Next week, I move the boat to New Bern, NC (fresh water with deep water
> access to the ICW and the Atlantic). We'll be living aboard near downtown at
> a marina owned by the Sheraton Hotel. Slip plus liveaboard fee (includes
> water, cable TV, wireless broadband, and pump-out but electricity is extra)
> will run me a little under $1500 for six months. This is the most expensive
> place in town, but it's best while we're living aboard. The six-month fee is
> a 10% reduction over the month-to-month. After the first six months, we'll
> be in our house, so I may look for a less-expensive location.
> FWIW, New Bern is ice-free. They have winter, but there is no requirement
> to winterize boats in the water. As I said, don't understand why people like
> Florida ;-)
> 
> --
> Best,
> Bryan Genez
> "Capella" V40-158
> Annapolis, MD -> New Bern, NC
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Message: 10 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Morford 
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
I pay $185 with water and electric just off the
Neuse river in NC, 5 miles from the ICW...
--- chip wrote:
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> 
> What do you (everybody) pay for dock space and
> where are you? Fresh or salt? 
> canal, river, lake, bay?
> I'm really curious and would be happy to sell
> my places here and move 
> somewhere I could keep a boat tied up out back.
> I had that at the lake, but 
> really really really want to get back to
> saltwater ...
> 
> chip in central florida (and here to stay, I
> bet) 
> 
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Message: 11 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:10:19 -0500
From: "Judy Rouse" 
Subject: DockageFees
On Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:58 PM, Chip wrote:
"What do you (everybody) pay for dock space and where are you? Fresh or
salt? 
canal, river, lake, bay?"
Salt water because it is an island.
In BVI, rates vary $1 to $1.50 per ft per month, additional charges for
electricity and water. Our boat is docked at a marina in Sopers Hole on
Tortola; unoccupied 95% of the year. Slip fee is only fifty cents per ft
per month, with no charges for electricity or water for those few weeks
someone is aboard. But when we finally move aboard full-time next May 1,
then the rate will increase to $1.50 including electricity at that
particular marina. It does not have separate meters for each slip to
monitor actual electric usage.
The fifty cent rate also includes having a caretaker start the engine
minimum every 2 weeks and letting it run for a few hours, as well as
plugging in shore power every third day for a 24-hr period to keep the
batteries charged; and just looking out there every day to make sure the
boat is still where she is supposed to be.
Judy
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Message: 12 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:59:22 -0400
From: 
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
I paid ~$1450 per year for a Catalina 27 in Yorktown, Va. A few miles from 
the Chesapeake Bay. Electricity, water & pump-outs were included. More 
expensive marinas are nearby but they generally include more amenities such 
as swimming pools and restarunts. And they cost more also.
Sincerely,
Larry T 
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Message: 13 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:50:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: David White 
Subject: Re: Dgst738-DockageFees
Ahoy Mates;
Here at Green Cove Springs Marina on the St. Johns River, The average dock fee is 300 a month for a 40 foot boat. That is the liveabord price which includes water, electric, showers etc.
Fair Winds
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Message: 14 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:09:39 -0000
From: "Thomas" 
Subject: slip fees
Here in beautiful, hurricane free California, slips are at a premium;
or so I thought. I am at one of the least expensive marinas on the
West Coast. For a 40 foot slip, I pay $375/mth., includes water,
20amp electrical service and private on-shore head/shower. This is
not including live-aboard. California has some funny rules for
live-boards and some interesting interpretations of those rules by
local harbor districts and marinas. Getting a live-board slip is
almost impossible. However, there is a quasi-wink-and-nod arrangement
some boaters can achieve with the marina management. It is similar to
the Don't Ask, Don't Tell thingy with the military. From the local
marina management point of view: "Don't tell me you are living aboard,
and I won't ask if you are living aboard." 
I am on a waiting list at another marina so that I can be a "legal"
live-board once again. The other marina is in another harbor and is
not as nice as where I am. It will cost me an additional $150/mth to
go there. ::shrug::: No hurricanes here, but we have lots and lots
of rules and politicians.
Thomas
s/v Elusive
Channel Islands Harbor, CA
www.sv-elusive.com
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