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From: Robert Gainer (no email)
Date: Mon Jul 12 2004 - 17:40:37 EDT
Mike;
I owned an Allied built Chance 30/30. It was a great boat to sail but had a
few problems offshore if you get into very bad weather. Admittedly you
wouldn’t make it a habit to sail in a hurricane but it gives you a very good
idea of what a boat is capable of in cruising. In October of 1976 I was in
Hurricane Gloria with 90 Knots wind speed and 45 foot (or better, its hard
to tell) waves. Just to the north of me was the 590 foot 15,028 ton Sylvia L
Ossa with a crew of 37. She sank with a loss of all hands sometime between
the 13 to the 15 of October. During the height of the storm the truck
fitting failed by cracking between the hole for the headstay clevis pin and
the corner of the casting adjacent to the mast. The loss of the headstay was
to say the least very awkward at that time. In trying to turn the boat
downwind after the headstay went the rudderstock failed at the bottom of the
bolt under the tiller and the stock sheared off. Within the next hour the
motion of the boat was so violent that the hull failed with a crack forming
between the aft most keel bolts. You could see the sides of the crack moving
up and down as the boat rolled. She started to make water at that point.
After getting beat up for that hour I had the boat back under control and
hove to. Before the storm was fully over the steering was repaired and a new
head stay was up. The leak was getting bad so I started for the nearest dry
land as fast as I could go. At this point Hurricane Holly was predicted to
be coming my way. I had enough of bad weather so I sent out a Mayday by SSB
and that was received by a Dutch tugboat and they relayed it to the German
ship Hagen of the Hapag-Lloyd line. She had passed me in the night some 100
miles to the west but she turned around and came back to get me. When she
got to me the wind was climbing and had reached 60 knots. When my boat came
alongside the Hagen the crack at the aft two keel bolts propagated along the
entire length of the keel. The bottom of the boat flexed downward and opened
up at the bolts and she started to sink. In the hour so before we meet we
spoke by VHF and they asked for the dimensions and weight of the boat. There
plan was to weld a cradle to the deck and if they could they wanted to pick
up the boat with two wire slings and swing her inboard to the steel cradle.
When we did get together the captain kept his ship away from my boat a few
feet and had two of his crew come onboard with wire cutters, they helped me
off and then cut the standing rigging while some crew on deck held the mast.
They brought the rig on deck and on the next roll she was out of the water.
I don’t think she hit the ship but once during the entire time. That one
strike crushed about ten feet of hull-deck joint. I had been beat up so much
from going up the mast to rig a headstay that I couldn’t walk and that’s why
I needed help to get off my boat. The entire rescue was over in under ten
minuets and they never came to a full stop. The bottom line is the keel area
of the boat is not strong enough and the rudderstock needs to be solid
instead of heavy wall tubing. When the boat was on deck I found that the
fairing forward of the rudder had also failed and the keel had dropped over
1/2 inch by digging out the fiberglass under the washers for the keel bolts.
Other then that I thought the boat was great.
All the best;
Robert Gainer
>From: Mike Batchelor <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Re: Subject: Transom types
>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:04:57 -0700
>
>Right-e-o! A boat more like the Alberg 30 is probably what I will end
>up with, rather than one like the Tartan. At my local marina, Marina
>Del Rey in California, there's an Allied Chance 30/30 for sale, and a
>Chris Craft Apache 37. There are also two Westsail 28's for sale in
>my area, one at MDR and the other at Long Beach, which are also on my
>short list.
>
>On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:12:31 -0400, Brian and Elaine Timmins
><> wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:56:45 -0700
> > > From: Mike Batchelor <>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Subject: Transom types
> > >
> > > OK, thanks. That helps a lot. Your examples couldn't be clearer. A
> > > quick search on Yachtworld.com turns up stern views of the Tartan 27
> > > and the Alberg 30.
> > >
> > > Tartan 27: http://tinyurl.com/2xo6v
> > > Alberg 30: http://tinyurl.com/2q8o3
> > >
> > > That Tartan looks really fat by comparison.
> > >
> > Don't misunderstand my attitude of the Tartan 27. After my broach and
> > (almost) dismasting, I rerigged her and cleaned her up. A few years
>later, I
> > took off on her from Long Island, N.Y. to Florida and the Bahamas and
>return
> > for a year. She's a great boat, great design, just don't get caught
>surfing
> > in breakers with her.
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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