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From: Robert Gainer (no email)
Date: Wed Jun 23 2004 - 15:29:07 EDT
Courtney;
I am sorry but I have never used a sea anchor. So any thing I offer is
second hand and not worth much. The worst weather I have sailed in is
Hurricane Gloria, October 1976 with 90 knots wind speed (the waves were
higher then my mast). That storm sank the 590’ 15,028 ton Sylvia L Ossa with
a crew of 37. All hands were lost. When she sank my best guess is that she
was only a few miles north of my boat. In that trip my boat was a 31-foot
Chance 30-30 built by the Allied Boat Company, designed by Brit Chance. She
was a light displacement fin keel day-sailor/racer. Because she is such a
poor choice for cruising offshore my choice of tactics to survive that storm
may not be the best example. Before the dust settled that boat had suffered
major damage. In other trips with more suitable boats and a max wind speed
of 75 knots I settled on running downwind as the tactic of choice most of
the time. The only exceptions to that was a winter storm while crossing the
Bay of Biscay from England to Spain with a 100-ton West Country Ketch. That
boat was over 100 years old and gaff rigged. I was afraid to run downwind
because the windage of the hull and rig kept the speed up to high and the
coast of Spain was to close. We hove to with a trysail laced to the main
mast and a very small staysail forward. The only real problem was that the
spray was freezing in the rigging and on the deck and cabin. The time of
rolling increased so much I began to fear capsizing. This boat was flat
bottomed and designed to sit on the beach to handle cargo. All the ballast
was inside. She had been converted to a yacht in the fifties. Because of the
topsail and other rigging upstairs we had ratlines in the rig. So the crew
and I went aloft to break up the ice in the rigging. The watch standers
spent all night breaking up the ice in the rig and on deck. I think that’s
about the coldest that I have ever been. Heaving to is probably the most
comfortable way to go if you don’t have the room to run before it.
Bob
>From: Courtney Thomas <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Walker Log - Me Too
>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:09:27 -0500
>
>Bob,
>
>Thank you for the patient words.
>
>So, as I surmise....there's no problem with the Knotmaster, to your
>knowledge/experience.
>
>As I aspire to your level of fundamental competence, I'd be grateful for
>your comments on sea anchors. I've been on Para-Tech and Para-Anchor's
>websites and am a bit at sea in that their recommendations are so
>divergent regarding chute size. For my size boat about 10Tons and 40'
>LOA fiberglass yawl, they recommend 15' and 9', respectively.
>
>Your experience/views ?
>
>Cordially,
>
>Courtney
>
>
>
>Robert Gainer wrote:
>
> > Courtney;
> > Sometimes I do not pick my words carefully enough. The KnotMaster is the
>MK
> > IIIa. Its funny that this comes up today, its only yesterday that I
>looked
> > up what the MK IIIa was. Until then I only recognized it as the
>KnotMaster.
> > The only thing I don't like about it is that the fish is very small. I
> > always thought that it would not be as accurate as the MK IV or similar,
> > because of that. That is an unfounded prejudice on my part. I have used
>the
> > Excelsior MK IV for literally thousands of miles and after trimming the
>fins
> > found them to be amazingly accurate. I have no experience with the
> > KnotMaster so I should not say anything bad about it. The sling pattern
>is a
> > log that has a ring in the handle and you tie it to something, such as
>the
> > boom or stern pulpit. Because you can get it out of your wake I think
>it's
> > the most accurate of the bunch. The outrigger pattern is a log that has
>a
> > bonnet base that fastens to a fitting on the taffrail. You put one of
>the
> > base fittings on each side of the boat and switch the log each time you
> > tack. Its closer to your wake and I think it under reads. You can trim
>the
> > fins on that also if you want, but your wake changes in dimension with
>your
> > speed so the log is spot on at only one speed. None of this matters
>today
> > because the log is only streamed for short times and the deference is to
> > small to matter. I am still using the more traditional methods and need
>to
> > be more careful about navigation then most.
> > All the best;
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Courtney Thomas <>
> >>Reply-To:
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Walker Log - Me Too
> >>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:59:53 -0500
> >>
> >>Bob,
> >>
> >>Thanks for the information.
> >>
> >>What is the outrigger pattern and sling pattern, vis-a-vis the
> >>knotmaster model ?
> >>
> >>What's wrong with a knotmaster ?
> >>
> >>Again, appreciatively,
> >>
> >>Courtney
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Robert Gainer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The best way to get one is just buy it on E-Bay. A MK IV outrigger
> >>>
> >>pattern
> >>
> >>>sold yesterday for 86 dollars. That one looked brand new. The sling
> >>>
> >>pattern
> >>
> >>>of the MK IV goes for about the same amount. I think the knotmaster
> >>>
> >>model is
> >>
> >>>a poor choice and I would not buy one.
> >>>All the best;
> >>>Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Bryan Genez <>
> >>>>Reply-To:
> >>>>To: <>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Walker Log - Me Too
> >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:00:09 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>>Courtney Thomas wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I am astounded that no enterprising person has started making some
>sort
> >>>>>of taffrail log similar to Walker&Co., or at least having them made
>in
> >>>>>China/India and importing. Let me know if someone uncovers a
>reasonably
> >>>>>priced cache of them. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Courtney,
> >>>>
> >>>>If you think there's a market, you should start manufacturing them. I
> >>>>suspect you'd learn before long that no one would pay the price you'd
> >>>>
> >>have
> >>
> >>>>to charge to make a profit. Won't be long before sextants are a
> >>>>
> >>nautical
> >>
> >>>>curiosity suitable for display on the mantle alongside the Walker log.
> >>>>
> >>>>And then we can sound just like our parents, bemoaning the good old
> >>>>
> >>days.
> >>
> >>>>In the meantime, people who are actually spending money are no longer
> >>>>buying
> >>>>these types of instruments. They prefer the more accurate, more
> >>>>
> >>flexible,
> >>
> >>>>and - yes - more vulnerable digital instruments.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Best,
> >>>>
> >>>>Bryan Genez (KB3HMZ)
> >>>>"Capella" Valiant 40 #158
> >>>>Annapolis, MD
> >>>>
> >>>>
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