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[world-cruising] Re: Boat Advice

From: scylla34208 (no email)
Date: Mon Dec 15 2003 - 11:59:28 EST

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    On the Columbia Web site <www.columbia-yachts.com/> I
    found the following commentary on the 8.3's page:

                                          ALAN PAYNE TALKS ABOUT THE 8.3

    "There has always been the thing that cruising yachts were a
    kind of watered-down version of current racing yachts. The
    amount of design thought that has gone into cruising yachts was
    nowhere near what it should have been. The Super-Cruiser
    design is intended to be a balance of good handling qualities,
    safety and ability in rough weather and speed. The interesting
    and special thing about this design is the very good performance
    which has been achieved over the whole range of cruising
    requirements.

    "The final satisfactory result was achieved by combining a wide
    beam, a flat-bottomed shape amidships with firm bilges, and
    bow and stern shapes which are different to the shapes adopted
    nowadays in rather thoughtless imitation of shapes which have
    been developed to fit the geometry of racing rule.

    "The bow shape has been chosen principally for its effect on
    steering. The U-shape reduces weather helm when the Yacht is
    heeled and makes the boat much easier to steer in a following
    sea. On top of the veed stern there is a fairly wide spreading out
    transom in the style of the early American yachts like the
    schooner 'America'. This stern confers useable deck space and
    acts as a very good pitch dampening device when the yacht is
    heeled over.

    "The net result of the bow, midships, and stern shapes is a boat
    which imparts tremendous confidence in rough weather. It
    keeps going fast, it has an easy motion, it is dry, and it is easy to
    steer. It is also stiff and stable and carries it's sail well. It's a
    boat
    with which the owner can go on board and find that she is
    particularly easy to manage in all sailing conditions."

    I haven't heard of the term "Super-Cruiser design," but it would
    be useful if other sailboat designs that meet its parameters have
    been put on a list. Otherwise you would have to study individual
    plans or compare data to the 8.3's data. If I remember correctly, I
    think John Vigor's book "The Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat" would
    help. He also wrote "Twenty Small Sailboats That Will Take You
    Anywhere," one of which is the Contessa 26.

    I sailed from San Diego to Hawaii and the S. Pacific in a Cheoy
    Lee built 25ft Vertue, one of the classic cruisers, along with the
    Folkboat (the Contessa and others build on the Folkboat
    design), during the '50s and '60s. "The Contessa/Taylor 26 is a
    much admired institution in Ontario, and its long production run
    make this boat a common sight. Its loyal owners are
    traditionalists and keen sailors who appreciate the Contessa's
    easy-to-handle and dependable performance." See
    www.cybercomm.nl/~luca/contessa/Contessa26.htm. My guess
    is that these boats' designs are rather different from the
    "Super-Cruiser" design, however.

    Still I think the suggestion of the Westerly Centaur is a good one.

    Regards, Fred

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