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From: Lisa (no email)
Date: Mon Dec 08 2003 - 19:28:18 EST
Hi Dave,
*Health Care* today.....one of MY very
favorite subjects you can bet!
I agree with your assessment of the actual
delivery of health care today in the US, as we surely
do have the best equipment, most advanced technology,
the most highly trained medical staff. But thats not
the issue, nor the concern.
My concern is that most Americans today cannot
afford insurance nor can they afford to pay for the
health care they receive. Most times, most Americans
are simply having to do without much needed medical
attention, because the cost is simply unaffordable.
I am not referring to those citizens that are of
any particular "generation", I am referring to ALL
citizens.
The elderly cannot afford Rx drugs, and are forced to
chose btwn much needed medications, and having food.
This is a reality.
The middle class cannot afford insurance, cannot earn
enough money to pay for anything out of pocket, and
also are falling into a bracket that is just above
poverty level, so they don't qualify for any of that
Gov't assistance you refer to.
Our citizens are being forced into filing
bankruptcies in record numbers in the US today...for
the same reasons. Incurred medical expenses that they
cannot repay or even hope to ever repay. And thats
the number one reason for bankruptcies in the US
today. I find that simply astounding and unacceptable
in a country that is the most advanced in every other
way, and is so rich in resources.
Our citizens deserve access to afforable health
care. Its just that simple in my mind.
I know there was a time when most Americans could
afford health insurance, I remember those times too.
And it seemed we all had access to the medical
community that we needed. But today, thats just not
true. There are too many of our children that are not
receiving even their basic immunizations, or basic
wellness checks, because its just not affordable.
I just don't find that acceptable.
Also, have you ever been a small business owner and
tried to purchase insurance? Its a joke, damn near
impossible I assure you. As a business owner I know.
And as a nurse, that has spent many years working in
emergency rooms, and doing housecalls in the
"projects", I have seen "reality" in todays health
care.
And I think, we should all be outraged that we as
citizens cannot even afford health care, in this great
and powerful country we live in.
And isnt it just crazy even that we are being forced
into obtaining drugs from other countries to begin
with! sheesh...this simply should NOT be happening.
So we can discuss all day long which countries have
the safest drugs and the most affordable and on and
on. But the real issue here is that we shouldn't even
have to be looking outside our own country!
Today...the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical
companies are the strongest lobbying groups in the US.
Translation: they are holding all the cards and making
all the decisions about OUR healthcare today and
deciding who and what and when, health care is
delivered to.
I just do not find this acceptable for our citizens.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OKOK.....I'll step down from my soap box now. I
warned ya'all...you gotta tell me to stop when I've
gone too far! So, I'll close for now, but would love
to hear the thoughts on this topic from other members
as well.
Just sign me...
Mouth of the South...(lol),
Ocean_Dancer~
Cheers ya'all! :)
--- Dave J <> wrote:
> Ahhhh. US Health Care. A favorite subject.
>
> (up on my soapbox here) (grin)
>
> IMHO health care ~itself~ is just fine in the US.
> People come from all over the world to our medical
> facilities for care
> and treatment.
> It's paying for it that becomes the problem for the
> average person.
>
> It kind of goes back to the time honored saying of
> "You get what you
> pay for".
>
> We're not a socialist country where the government
> is supposed to be the
> answer to all ills.
> Nor are we even a "democracy" where "the people
> rule" directly.
> We're a somewhat democratic republic where the
> people actually elect
> their own rulers.
> Have been ever since this country was established
> back in the late
> 1700's.
>
> Along with our desire for our well-known personal
> individualism comes
> the personal responsibility of individually standing
> on our own two
> feet. Something that great portions the current
> generation fails to
> recognize.
>
> If a government is supporting ya, they're also
> regulating you to a
> degree directly consistent with the amount of
> support. This is life.
> One of the invariables. With support comes a
> proportionate lack of
> freedom. Ya can't have it both ways.
> max freedom = max independence
> min freedom = max dependence
>
> As to importing drugs from other countries,,,,, In
> my humble opinion,
> seeing the level of regulation that our Canadian
> brothers and sisters
> put up with from their government ....... I'd feel
> ~quite~ safe with
> drugs that come through normal channels in ~their~
> country. Now don't
> get me wrong here. I LIKE Canada (except for their
> weather -- grin).
> Now there are some other countries .......... ('nuf
> said) :-(
>
> (soapbox mode - off) :-)
>
> Back to the Bahamas. --------- just what are the
> usual sea and weather
> conditions between the mainland and the islands
> around the mid November
> time frame ?
>
> The Aquarius 21 footer is definitely NOT a tender
> boat to sail, she'll
> take 45 knot winds with just one of her two reefs in
> --- but --- she
> also doesn't have really good cockpit drainage as do
> some of the open
> stern "flow-thru cockpit" type boats.
> Of course that could be partially cured with a
> ~Large~ scupper designed
> to carry any great overage of water right through
> the laz and out the
> stern. Would need a flapper of some kind to keep
> following seas from
> entering that way though I'd imagine.
> But to think of all the laz space I would
> loose........ :-( :-(
>
> The group's thoughts ??????
>
> Dave J
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:04:21 -0000
> > From: "ocean_dancer2001"
> <>
> > Subject: Re: medical insurance (Jason)
> >
> > Hi Jason,
> > You make some very good points and raise some very
> good questions. I
> > wish I had the answers for you. I really am only
> familiar with US
> > insurance practices/costs as well as US
> pharmaceutical practices/cost.
> > And I only know that both are way out of
> control, and yes, many
> > citizens are obtaining their Rx's from Canada, and
> taking whatever
> > risks may be involved, simply because money and
> health wise, they have
> > no choice. That, in my mind, is a very sad
> commentary on health care
> > in the US today.
> > But to answer your questions directly, about the
> practices overseas, I
> > cannot answer and I'm sure there are members
> within this group who
> > have perhaps encountered a need for health care
> while abroad, and
> > could answer you better than myself.
> > Good luck, and keep us informed if you should find
> some answers.
> > Be Well and best of luck,
> > Ocean_Dancer2001~
>
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