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From: Dick Maddock (no email)
Date: Wed Dec 03 2003 - 15:13:00 EST
Don't worry about a fiberglass boat lasting. While
earlier glass boats had more problems with osmosis,
even that can be overcome.
I bought a 48' C&C that had been put up on a reef,
It had been repaired badly, and the balsa core had
soaked up a lot of water. To make it right and to
insure a longer life, I had a yard cut away the outer
shell of fiberglass up to a foot above the water line.
We then put heaters up against the hull inside for the
winter, and the put on a new shell of vinylester resin
which is osmosis proof.
It lost 2000 lbs in water weight and is in as good a
shape ten years later as the day it was relaunched.
It will outlast me.
--- lynn stone <> wrote:
> So far there have been quite a few responses. Thank
> you all for your encouragement. This is one of those
> times when it is a good thing to receive. We get a
> lot
> of the kind of thing like "You're going to sell
> your
> home and do what!?" kind of thing when we talk about
> our plans.
>
> Here is a summary of the emails I received directly
> and that did _not_ go through the list. I thought
> some
> others on the list might find value in them. On
> other
> lists that I am on, it is customary to do this. I
> hope
> that I offend no one by doing so here.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Courtney Thomas wrote:
>
> Just wanted to say I'm in my sixties, not a
> millionaire and bought a fiberglass monohull over 40
> yrs. old and look forward to sailing as long as I
> want
> to sail, in it.
>
> Nobody knows how long a fiberglass boat will last,
> yet. And even when they do, they won't all last the
> same amount of time. My boat's hull is over an inch
> thick of solid fiberglass and has been kept almost
> all
> it's
> life in a cold climate, on the hard and reasonably
> well maintained; so, it's different than the case of
> a
> boat sitting in a marina in Florida all this time.
> Plus, it is a model of the first fiberglass boat
> produced
> [designed by Phil Rhodes] and whose hull thickness
> simulated wooden vessels of the period, i.e. much
> heavier built than most, if not all,
> fiberglass vessels of its size [28' lwl][heavy
> displacement] today. Of course, durability is not
> simply a function of weight but it's a
> factor.
>
> There are good boats mad of wood, fiberglass, steel,
> etc.. Construction material is only one factor too,
> of
> course. And each has it's strong and less desirable
> qualities.
>
> What kind of sailing do you plan ? If serious
> off-shore I'd probably get steel if I could find a
> good one that met all other parameters. But if
> that's
> not your primary plan, I'd think any of the three
> [or
> aluminum]
> would be fine as long as it surveys out. Do a Google
> search on "David Pascoe", a fine surveyor by
> reputation who has a lot of information on his
> website
> about various types, qualities, etc..
>
> By the way, don't confuse size/displacement with
> safety/seaworthiness. See books by Lynn/Larry Pardey
> and a book I just finished, "The Adventuresome
> Voyages
> of Captain Voss". The latter is out of print but
> can be found on abebooks.com. It's by a man who
> circumnavigated&survived a typhoon in the Pacific in
> 1901 in his fifties, in a 38' wooden
> canoe&19' yawl, respectively.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Kathleen and Roland O'Brien wrote:
>
> After reading your post I'd like to relay our
> experience and let you know there's a nearly
> identical
> boat LISTED for $39,900 (you could logically buy it
> for $30,000).
>
> About a year and a half ago we (my wife Kathleen and
> myself) bought a Coronado 41 for that same price,
> $30,000. We moved it from the Lake Michigan area
> here
> to Buffalo, Ny where we are refurbishing it for
> bluewater sailing. We leave in May of 2005 and will
> cruise "until it stops being fun!
>
> I'm 62 and my wife is 57. This boat has a center
> cockpit, lots of freeboard, thick fiberglass, and
> plenty of storage, which all combined were exactly
> what we were seeking. We'd previously had a
> Columbia
> 28 and loved it, and the Corondao and Columbia were
> effectively sister boats.
> ...We've bought nearly all the things we need to add
> to
> the boat, like: power windlass, liferaft, dinghy,
> outboard, dinghy davits, solar panels, wind
> generator,
> radar, chartplotter, inverter, etc., etc....
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Phillip Johnson wrote:
>
> ...I am retired and middle aged and have been
> sailing
> since 1069. I spent most of my adult life in a
> career
> at sea. I still love sailing and don't plan of
> stopping as long as I am healthy enough. I love the
> sea. For
> me there is nothing that even comes close to the
> thrill and satisfaction of waking up at sea alone
> and
> far far from land....
>
> I totally understand not wanting a
> lot of expensive gadgetry that rarely works and
> takes
> an inordinate amount of time, trouble and expense to
> make it work.... are you primarily interested in
> passagemaking, or just living aboard. And will you
> and
> your husband be passagemaking with a crew or do you
> plan on doing it yourself? Also whatocean or oceans
> do
> you plan on sailing in. These factors will kind of
> lead
> you to look at certain types of boats versus others.
> I
> am sure from your experience that you alredy know
> that
> the expense of operating a boat is more relative to
> it's displacement than it's length. I look forward
> to
>
> ...It sounds like you need a go anywhere type boat.
> I
> think you will be lookingin the right direction if
> you
> go with a non cored solid GRP hull. Cores seem to
> work
> well for awhile but aren't what I would want in a
> hull
>
> that would have to last for several decades. I would
> also favor a boat with a cutaway forefoot. It has
> several advantages. Less wetted surface, more easily
> driven, and faster. It has the advantage of being a
> stable straight tracking hull without the
> disadvantages of the Colin Archer type hull. I like
> to
> be able to lash the wheel and go to the foredeck
> without worrying about the boat wandering off track.
>
> You might want to consider a ketch rig. I personally
> favor it in anything over about 25 feet. It has the
> advantage of keeping the main small and manageable,
> and can be sailed well with just the working jib. It
> also
> has the advantage of being able to sail on just the
> mizzen and a headsail. I often just lowered the main
>
> at times instead of reefing.
>
> You are smart for considering a hull with a goodly
> amount of deadrise amidships. It will make for a
> much
> smoother ride with a real shippy feel. Plus the
> advantage of being able to stow heavy items like
> water, sheet, anchor, and chain in the bilge.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> That's it for now. We've got some more info to chew
> through and digest. Will be nice when this phase of
> the search is over and we can really start looking
> with the eye to buying "right now" rather than
> gathering information. Although it is nice to see as
> many boats as we can. It's amazing how many very
> popular boats we've thrown out of the possibles list
> for this and that; usually keel and rudder type and
> that's been more for my education rather than my
> husband's. Now it's down to the more serious stuff.
>
> If anyone has more information they would like to
> impart, please do so. I don't think there can be too
> much information for something like this as long as
> it
> stays on topic.
>
> Thanks again.
>
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