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From: Rick Bradshaw (no email)
Date: Wed Sep 24 2003 - 18:11:59 EDT
Jim,
Those who may not have access to the list is why I put in the part
about those that knew someone that was not on the list or could not
get to the list. I thought perhaps that if they are out there with
little onboard, they might not be able to have access to the online
groups such as this frequently or at all but someone else might know
about them and be able to tell their story. Some of our list is out
there cruising or unavailable to reach their mail as is evidenced by
their being in bounce status with "over quota" inboxes. Instead of
unsubing them as some lists do, I keep them onboard for quite a long
time till they hopefully come back and empty their boxes again.
I'm familiar with the other group you mentioned. After the first
couple of months, it has quieted down a bit not unlike this list.
Probably for some of the same reasons.
I know what you mean about wanting your bells and whistles. I would
like a few myself but I think I will be drawing the line somewhere.
For instance: radar-yes and electronic charts-no; wind vane-yes and
electronic autopilot-maybe. Sextant-yes and backup to the sextant
GPS-probably; backup to the backup GPS-no. OTOH, a stable platform is
essential as well as smallish sails, space aboard for us to turn
around in, and a solid (reliable as opposed to seized solid :-) )
diesel.
Having previously lived aboard for several years, I got beyond the
flint/down camping stage and find that is what most people equate
living aboard to be. It can be but it doesn't have to be. If I had to
go that far down the line to get back aboard, I have to admit, I
would probably not think about it more than once and then only very
briefly. That said, there are probably people out there that are
doing it with little more than that and I applaud them for being able
to do that and enjoy it. I wish them well in every way.
Good luck with the boat search. Please keep us apprised of how the
search goes, what you find, and how you fit her out, not to mention
where you cruise.
Rick
>Rick
>There might be a flaw in your question, since the folks that are "out
>there cruising" without the bells and whistles would not have access
>to the internet other than occasionally.
>I am getting ready to purchase my first and hopefully last boat to
>live aboard during the early part of my retirement. Yes, I fall into
>the bells and whistles group. During my research, I have found that
>the sailing population is very segmented and that their opinions,
>boat choice, equipment selection are all related to their part of the
>sailing universe. I see the catagories as follows, there may be
>more:
>
>Full time liveaboard cruiser(no land base at all and on the move)
>Cruisers with home port (land base for part year or between trips)
>Liveaboards (lives on boat, but rarely leaves port, often working on
>land)
>Weekend cruisers (Sail when they can, with a three week trip in
>season)
>Racers
>Boat owners (like owning the boat more than sailing it)
>
>I bet even the notion of exactly what is a "bell or whistle"; is
>different between groups. A reliable fast dingy may be important to
>the first three above, but not even needed for the last three
>groups. I find a lot of parallels with the camping world. Tent
>camping is fun, but not for much longer that two nights. Starting
>that campfire with a flint and down is a rewarding challenge, but not
>twice a day, every day.
>
>There is a Yahoo group "LowCostVoyaging" which is fairly active and
>makes for interesting reading. I read it because I want my Bells and
>Whistles at the very least costs.
>Fair winds
>Capt. Jim the Pirate
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