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Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Boat buying in foreign lands
From: Evert Volkersz (evolkersz@XXX.XXX)
Date: Wed Feb 05 2003 - 23:45:08 EST
Doug:
My boat, an Ohlson38, was built and documented in England in 1970. The
previous owner bought it in the U.K. in 1986 and had it re-documented in
the US. There are some legal papers that were notarized by the US Consulate
in London. Superficially, it sounds relatively simple. I do not know if
there were any import duties or other fees involved. If you live in New
York State, you will have to pay local sales tax on the price you paid,
whether you document it or just register it.
Any chance of moving the boat to one of the Dutch islands, so the sale
would be straightforward from Dutch to American ownership?
This is the website of the Coast Guard's National Vessel Documentation
Center, http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/nvdc.htm. I have found them
pleasant and responsive in the past.
This page describes Dutch ship registry (in Dutch, no English available),
http://www.son.nl/paginas/nederlandsregistratie.html and gives some useful
information:
"Bij registratie van een boot bij het Kadaster, wordt een onuitwisbare
registratie aangebracht, het zgn. brandmerk. Dit brandmerk bestaat uit een
volgnummer van de teboekstelling, een afkorting van de rubriek, het kantoor
van teboekstelling en het jaartal: bijvoorbeeld 1751 BR 1990. (B van
binnenvaart, R van Rotterdam)."
Roughly translated: "By registering a boat in the Registry [Kadaster], an
indelible registration is applied, the so-called brand. The brand consists
of a sequential number, an abbreviation of the category, the office of
registry and the year: for example 1751 BR 1990 (B for internal waters, R
for Rotterdam)."
It does not state where the number is located, but if it has a number like
this you have something to go on. (On my boat the English documentation
number is way forward in the bow, and the US number is in a starboard
hanging locker. You can't miss, as the numbers are 3" or 4" tall.)
This appears to be the page to ask about Dutch registry:
http://www.kadaster.nl/activiteiten/index.html. There is an English
language link in the upper left-hand corner, but it switches to other
information--which may be interesting in itself.
Evert
s/v Toucan
At 11:11 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Doug,
>
>Did you receive any information on your inquiry? If so, please post a
>summary. I would be interested to know what you found out since that
>may be the general direction that we take also. I'd like to know the
>pitfalls and positives you find.
>
>Rick
>
>
> >Anyone have any experience with buying a foreign-flagged vessel in
> >another country? One of the boats that my wife and I have our eye on is
> >in Grenada with Dutch registry, being sold by a broker in St. Maarten.
> >The broker seems pretty reputable, so I'm not too worried about that. I
> >plan to survey that boat up one side and down the other, and probably
> >pop for a diesel mechanic and rigger, too.
> >
> >So I'm mystified about a title search. How can I get solid proof that
> >these folks really own the boat?
> >
> >Also, what about documentation? Would I have to temporarily have to get
> >Grenadian or St. Maarten title, then xfer it to the USA? Or somehow do
> >USCG documentation remotely?
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