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Subject: Re: [world-cruising] Costs associated with wintering in the Med?
From: Rick Bradshaw (rbradsh2@XXX.XXX)
Date: Tue Dec 24 2002 - 18:10:53 EST
Jan,
These are good issues about the Med. Most of what I have heard comes
from books and articles that are admittedly a few years old and
likely, unfortunately, _way_ out of date.I'm speaking of the times
when sailors pulled in to a port, tied up to the quay, and were able
to stay there for an undetermined period. Perhaps that was true or
perhaps that was just wishful thinking. Since I wasn't sailing on a
small boat when I was last in Italy, the Greek islands,or anyplace in
the Med, I couldn't say one way or the other for sure.
Snow that far south shouldn't surprise me too much. The year I lived
in Southern Italy we had snow for the first time in, as I remember it
being said, several decades. Big, fluffy flakes that, thankfully,
didn't stick.
I don't know of anyone who is currently cruising or even thinking
about cruising the Red Sea area. Even the South shore of the Med. On
the other hand, from what little I was able to see the last time I
was in Turkey, again, not on a boat, there is a _lot_ to see and
experience there if it is stable. Is Morocco relatively safe or is
that also a no-go neighborhood? There are so many places and I'm
determined to get there before I am permanently unable to raise a
sail.
I am a little surprised to hear about the lack of anchorages too. I
guess I've seen too many travel videos, etc. I remember seeing a
little cove on Rhodes below the ruined city of Lindos that looked
quite enticing from the ruins. Two boats were anchored there at the
time. Looked like that was about all the safe space there was. Again,
several years ago so it may all have changed.
I suppose most people who winter over in the Med do stay at marinas
now, regardless of where they stay. What about places like Gibraltar,
Malta, and other small relatively quiet places where one could fit
into the local community and experience the local culture for a few
months; maybe forever if the experience "takes"?
How have the prices changed in the years since you were cruising
around? Have they gone up appreciably or have they seemed to stay in
relatively the same area? Did the change to the Euro cause prices to
climb due to the merchants, suppliers, or manufacturers taking the
"opportunity" to raise the prices on unsuspecting populations?
Jan, I thought I heard on some list a few months ago that you had
sold the boat. I see it is still for sale on your Web site though.
Anyone else out there that is cruising now or that has been
relatively recently? Let's hear from you. Tell us about your
experiences. Although this thread is about the Med, I'm sure there
are many other wondering the same things about Australia, New
Zealand, and many other points of the world. There may even be some
who would like to know about wintering in Alaska (Brrrrrrrrr!).
Rick
>Hello all,
>
>First about wintering in the Med:
>
>South or North coast makes little difference, East or West does. My parents
>have a house in Spain on the Med. coast just in front of Ibiza, very nice
>winters there (by my Belgian experience). On the contrary, in Greece and
>Turkey you may see snow. But you Americans live far more south than we do,
>and your standards may vary.
>
>Politicaly the South coast is more unstable, and you'll only find marina's in
>Tunesia, at a rather low rate in winter time - if you stay for at least 3 or
>4 months without leaving even for a day trip. But I continuously hear
>discussion on wether to risk it - or not. I have no answer on that.
>
>If you want to stay more southerly than the med, you can go to the Canaries
>(only some marinas), or the Red Sea. But the latter has no accomodation
>(marinas) for long term cruising, and for the political situation : ask Mr.
>Bush. There is a certain country called Saudi Arabia on it's North shore,
>absolutely no good for any cruiser.
>
> As far as I know, in the Med there are no continuously safe anchorages
>outside of (the former) Yugoslavia, Turkey and Greece - the odd exception
>exists.
>
>Secondly about cruising cost. My experience comes from a 1 year
>round-the-atlantic single handed trip in 1994-95, and a three month Norway
>cruise in 1999, both on a 31 ft yacht (see my web page for more details):
>
>- Cheapest is crossing oceans: it cost me 200 Euro per month to live on a boat
>during a crossing: with absolutely no "going ashore". I had no refrigeration
>and bought mainly canned food.
>- Living while at anchor costed me something under 400 Euro/month. I never
>stayed in a marina, that would have more than doubled the price. But the
>places where you can stay at anchor are scarce, also because most places have
>been taken by marina's.
>
>I think being two on board would be cheaper on a per person base - any one
>female cares to join me ?????????????
>
>mvg,
>
>Jan Bruggeman - ON4AIN
>mail: jan@XXX.XXX
>web: http://jan.bruggeman.com
>
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