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Re: T&T: 24V starter, 12V house bank - Ugh!

From: Dave Cooper (no email)
Date: Thu Feb 07 2008 - 07:28:51 EST

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    <Mark wrote in part: 24 volt starter...What do you think?>

    Be happy :-)

    A 24 volt starter will spin your Cat faster, draw 1/2 the current of a 12
    volt so the wiring resistance has less effect and the engine disconnect
    switch will last longer. What's not to like?

    A 12 volt starter on this engine will have stall amperage of over 2000 amps,
    if I recall. That's more than most disconnect switches and 4/0 gauge wiring,
    terminals are rated for. The 24 volt starter will be half and within the
    limits of all the normal heavy duty switches and a nominal run of 4/0 wire.

    Find a pair of high quality group 31 start batteries that have a CCA of 1200
    ea or more. Series them up for 24 volts and then put in a small ~20 amp
    dedicated smart charger or at least one that cuts off after a charge cycle
    and back on if the voltage drops under a preset limit.
    Connect this to a suitable dedicated small sine wave inverter that can
    handle the peak load of the charger and connect it off the house bank.

    Voila an independent starting system that will outlast you.

    If the charger or sine wave inverter were to go TU for any reason you can
    always charge the start batteries one at a time from any 12 volt source.
    However, the G-31's should be good for 10 starts or more without charging so
    as long as you have a meter to check the battery voltage you should never
    find yourself unable to start. A good check of the capacity is to try it at
    the dock. Start the boat every day until it won't start. You'll be amazed at
    how much power there is in a pair of good G31 start batteries and how little
    of it is used during each start cycle.

    We have a 24 starter and it's peak on our 6-71 is 620 amps and start to
    finish the cycle is 2-4 secs or often less. This is a lot of current little
    time so very little battery drain. I would expect you the Cat to run a bit
    longer cycle of perhaps 3-6 sec's and your normal peak to range from 800 to
    1200 amps at temps down to 45 degrees or so. Again not a lot of battery
    drain.

    Make sure you run 12 volt power for your gauges/senders/alarms and not 24
    volt! These are often picked up from the key switch terminal but as you had
    an air starter then more than likely the 12 volts is supplied independently
    from the old start circuit. Also the 24 volt starter is most likely to be a
    isolated unit so the negative of the battery needs to be tied into your
    ground system at the common ground point.

    I'm somewhat surprised that your mechanic would change for an air start to
    an electric without being able to check out the system...i.e. starting and
    running the engine normally. They should at least explain then need for
    changing over the items that you have as every installation is different as
    are our boats!

    Good luck...be as happy with the 24 volt starter as your Cat is :-)

    As always YMMV...

    Dave & Nancy
    Swan Song
    Roughwater 58
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