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Re: T&T: Boat sunk at dock, need advice

From: Rich Gano (no email)
Date: Sun Feb 03 2008 - 11:46:22 EST

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    Poor Microship, so sad to hear of your troubles, Ken. Lucky you are in
    fresh water.

    In saltwater, I have been informed by more than one knowledgeable source
    that you have 24 hours to get Diesel oil circulating in drowned diesel
    engines before they are ruined - maybe you have a bit longer in fresh.

    Forget anything now but the machinery because it cannot wait - in saltwater,
    the saving of machinery is a round-the-clock operation. Get started wkith
    dowsing the externals top to bittom with WD-40. The fact that you didn't
    mention oil in your bilge water makes me think there was none? This could
    possibly be good news in more ways than just the fact that you don't have it
    all over the place outside the machinery.

    Trannies: In a recent conversation with Brian at American Diesel I learned
    that about the only way to get all the water out of drowned BW gears (if you
    have that brand) is to remove and disassemble them. Since you can't do
    everything at once, drain them in place checking for water. If you see
    water, refill with Diesel a couple of times before putting whatever fluid
    back in there you originally used. This will hold them until you can get
    back to them after triage of the engines.

    Starters: Good advice on T&T. Remove/rinse contaminants out/spray with
    water dispersant/bake. I saw numerous LARGE frame pump motors saved this
    way in the Navy after floodings of pump rooms.

    Engines: Watch whatever "professional" is engaged for the job. Because
    they weren't submerged, I wouldn't let them immediately start ripping out
    the injectors so they can easily spin the engines with some air-operated
    drive to push Diesel oil through the engine (the normal engine salvor's plan
    of attack). Things MAY not be that bad. I just ran down to the boat to
    look at my Lehman 120s and found that if water were half way up my starters
    there are at least three possible sources of water intrusion into the sump.
    They are the dipsticks and the air breathers (if yours were not blocked off)
    and around the starters' gear - assume the worst, BUT check it out first.
    If you don't have oil in the bilge water, MAYBE you got lucky and have very
    little water in the sumps. Only way to find out is dump the oil and look
    for water in it. If you don't see any evidence of H2O, I'd consider
    refilling with lube oil and spinning the engines for a bit before dumping
    the oil again looking for evidence of emulsification. Change filters too
    this time. Add new oil and run the engine when starters and trannies are
    reattached, rechecking for any signs of water.

    OTOH, if you see signs of water in the first lube oil dump, go to General
    Quarters and commence full blown engine salvaged by removing the injectors,
    attaching an air drive to the center nut of the crank pulley on the front of
    the engine, filling the sump with diesel, engaging fuel shut-offs, and
    spinning the engine for a bit. Drain Diesel and repeat a couple of times.
    Fill with lube oil, change filter, spin again to distribute oil, reinstall
    injectors, and restart engine for a minute or so as soon as you get the
    starters back on. Dump oil, change filter, refill, and enjoy the engine for
    years to come.

    Battery cables: Were they susceptible to water intrusion? Are their ends
    sealed? Sounds like maybe they were mostly clear.

    Good hunting for the leak. Lots of great suggestions on T&T. Given the
    fact that nothing is now obvious, I like the idea put forth that something
    like a slowly accelerating siphon caused your problem, meaning that you will
    have to return to the trim and liquid load conditions before sinking to
    allow you to hunt this one down. Contributing to the issue is/are the bilge
    pump(s). I am sure we'd all like to hear your explanation of what you think
    of that situation.

    In sympathy (gladly not empathy),

    Rich Gano
    CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
    Southport, FL
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