| Home | Mailing Lists | Bookstore | Weather | Tide Predictions | Bowditch |

T&T: The Garmin, Mapsource & Nobeltec saga is almost at an end...

From: Garrett Lambert (no email)
Date: Fri Sep 01 2006 - 23:56:16 EDT

  • Next message: Steve Frankel: "T&T: Problem with stop engine button with Perkins diesel"

    Several of you have been helpful in replying to my questions about my Garmin
    Chartplotters. Here's the denouement.

    The challenged started with a couple of Garmin 2010C chartplotters that were
    on a boat I recently purchased. I've been struggling with their clunky cursor
    interface, because setting up routes on them is time-consuming and
    frustrating, and each has to be done separately. OTOH, Nobeltec on a laptop
    makes routes easily and intuitively.

    Solution: interface the laptop to the GPS units and upload the routes
    directly. (Nobeltec even provides a Garmin-Garmin protocol.)

    However, the 2 chartplotters are already interfaced to the 2 autopilots, the
    VHF, and, I think, the radar. Despite several attempts I couldn't get the
    laptop to communicate with them. I asked a marine electronics shop if they'd
    do it for me, and the answer was negative: "We don't recommend it because our
    customers' experience has been that the information transfer is usually
    garbled."

    Whether that was true or not, I decided to buy Garmin's 'Marine Trip and
    Waypoint Manager Kit' comprising a Cd with software that's also downloadable
    free from the Garmin site, a USB data card reader/writer, and a 16 MB Garmin
    data card. (The newest kits come with 32 MB cards and Garmin sent me one
    separately at no cost.) The idea now was to do the routes in Nobeltec and
    write them to the data card for uploading to the GPS.

    Oops. Garmin insulates itself against all competitors, and although the data
    card shows up by name in Control Panel's device manager, it is not available
    to any non-Garmin product, including Nobeltec, and cannot be accessed directly
    by the laptop. PITA. Tech Support says no work-around.

    However, the Marine Data Management CD contains a copy of Mapsource software
    and a base map. It allows the creation of routes on the PC for transfer to the
    chartplotter. Since I was tired of switching the single pre-programmed Blue
    Chart card between the two chartplotters, I decided to spend some more money
    at Garmin - proving absolutely that their sales strategy works - and order the
    Mapsource Bluechart CD. For the purchase price, it comes with a code to unlock
    a single region that may be installed on two Garmin devices only. Note that if
    you cannot interface the devices to the laptop you must manually enter their
    serial numbers in order to download the maps the computer. (That ties each
    unlocked download to a specific unit.)

    So far so good. The unlocking went well, and I was very pleasantly surprised
    to discover that the Mapsource area coverage is significantly greater - factor
    of ~2 - than that of the BlueChart chip, and with equal detail. At first
    glance, the cartography appears to be different, but it could be simply the
    colours.

    The Mapsource software displays the unlocked maps and provides the means to
    create map sets - all or some - for transfer to data card(s) for use in the
    chartplotter(s). It also enables - small hurrah! - the insertion of waypoints
    and the creation or routes. Unfortunately, the tools are not so intuitive nor
    easy to use as those in Nobeltec, and the documentation is, in typical Garmin
    fashion, opaque and inadequate. I was able to create a route, but unable to
    move any of its waypoints. Nothing - including the rudimentary manual - would
    budge them. So, once again I called Garmin Tech Support, and after the usual
    15-10 minute hold, got the usual excellent service. However, although the tech
    rep recalled having answered this question once before, he couldn't remember
    how, and had to seek help. After 10 minutes or so, he returned with the
    answer. Whereas in Nobeltec it's simply a matter of click and drag on any
    waypoiny, in Mapsource it's right click the route to turn it yellow, then
    right click the waypoint to bring up a menu box, select " ", then left click
    and drag. None of this is in the manual. And, so far at least, the start and
    end waypoints have proved impervious to any attempts to move them. Mapsource
    also seems to treat waypoints created with the route tool differently than
    those created with the waypoint tool.

    However, progress has been made, and I'm hopeful that I will soon be able to
    check this "To-Do" off my list.

    Cheers, Garrett
    _______________________________________________
    http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering

    To unsubscribe send email to
     with the word
    UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message.

    Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World
    Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.


  • Next message: Steve Frankel: "T&T: Problem with stop engine button with Perkins diesel"



    | Home | Mailing Lists | Bookstore | Weather | Tide Predictions | Bowditch | Trawlerworld |