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Re: T&T: "Cross-tying" Golf Cart Batteries

From: Maurice & Louise-Ann on AKAMA (no email)
Date: Wed Nov 23 2005 - 16:06:10 EST

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    Well, "cross tie" sounds like a term invented by a non-engineer. When I
    went to engineering school we talked only about "series" and "parallel".
    As you describe it, the issue is does one put in parallel each half of
    the batteries into two big 6-volt banks, and then series those to make a
    12-volt battery. Or, does one put in series pairs of batteries to make
    a bunch of 12-volt batteries, and then put those in parallel to make a
    12-volt bank.

    I suspect that this is one of those theoretical questions that is
    overweighed in the real world by the practicality of physically locating
    the batteries and running the wires. After all, a battery is just a
    bunch of cells connected internally, so you are already starting with a
    module of cells (each battery) that is wired (internally) in series,
    three in a 6-volt battery and six in a 12-volt battery.

    IMHO, the most important thing is to make things with as low an IR drop
    as possible. Thus, whatever method results in using the shortest amount
    of wire of the smallest gauge (i.e., the fattest wire) in the battery
    bank would win my vote.

    Also, you want things to be as balanced as possible; I recall reading
    that batteries farthest from a charger receive less charge than those
    closest, even with small gauge wire. Similarly, the closest ones bear
    the most load. In other words, the amount of wire that any electron
    needs to travel from any battery, out to the 12-volt bus bar should be
    equal for all batteries. So, if you parallel a bunch of batteries you
    don't want to hook the bus feeder wires to either end, but rather to the
    middle. Better still, hook the batteries together in pairs and then
    hook those pairs together in parallel, directly at the bus bars. But,
    again, this is guilding the lily somewhat, as in the real world you have
    to hook things up in a practical (but acceptable) manner.

    Cheers,
    Maurice
    M/Y AKAMA

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Fidler [mailto:]
    Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 07:17
    To: T&T
    Subject: T&T: "Cross-tying" Golf Cart Batteries

    In the Prosine Users Guide, Xantrex recommends "cross-tying"
    battery banks with series parallel connections.

    When using 4 or more golf carts in a 12 volt house bank,
    this means connecting half of the golf carts in one parallel
    group and connecting the other half in a second group.
    Then connect the two 6 volt groups in series for 12 volts.

    Do you list members with 4 or more golf carts all use this
    technique? I can understand the advantages but are there
    any possible problems or disadvantages? Is it always a
    good idea (vs. connecting pairs of golf carts in series and
    then connecting the pairs in parallel without "cross-tying").

    Thanks

    Jim Fidler "Fiddlesticks"
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