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From: Burke, Edward H.S. (no email)
Date: Sun Aug 01 2004 - 09:52:52 EDT
I'm hoping to touch base with an Essex,CT list member for some local knowledge
regarding area liveaboard marinas.
Thanks.
Ed Burke
M/V Judgment Proof
Stamford,CT
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1. Re: Cruise Report/Skooch (Georgs Kolesnikovs)
2. Re: Velcro on varnish. (Albin43SDtr)
3. PT Boat / Crew Boats/was /Multi-engine maneuvering story /was
Single lever controls....) (Charles Culotta)
4. Re: Charging systems (Robby & Dolores)
5. Velcro on varnish (Dan Lanier)
6. Re: Warping art ()
7. Velcro attachment of paintings ()
8. Re: Noise tolerance ()
9. RE RE Noise tolerance (bob england)
10. RE RE Noise tolerance (Bob Austin)
11. Velcro on varnish (Bob Austin)
12. Welding Cable (Gil)
13. Welding cable (Bob Austin)
14. Re: PT Boat / Crew Boats/was /Multi-engine maneuvering story
/was Single lever controls....) (Ron Rogers)
15. ICOM Pricing (Ron Rogers)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:27:23 -0400
From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <>
Subject: T&T: Re: Cruise Report/Skooch
To: Trawlers & Trawlering List
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David Stahl of Skooch wrote:
>The Admiral and I had no idea what to expect cruising with such a large
>fleet. But we had a wonderful time and with only a few broken boats almost
>everybody had fun. Skooch ran as close to perfectly as I could ever wish
>for, so I was free to work in other bilges.
Thanks for the delightful report!
--Georgs
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:37:42 -0500
From: Albin43SDtr <>
Subject: Re: T&T: Velcro on varnish.
To: "John Rudolph" <>,
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John,
At 05:45 PM 7/30/2004, you wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with using Velcro type tapes to hang
>pictures on wood paneling. My boat has a satin finish on Teak veneer
>paneling and I was hoping to not have to drill a picture hanger. My
>experience with some Velcro that I have used is that it is strong enough
>but the adhesive may not stick or may damage the varnish. Thanks for
>your advice on this or any other way to hang a picture frame. The
>admiral is in a decorating mood.
I would suggest finding frames that you can use screws on to neatly secure
the pictures. If a picture frame falls due to rough conditions, you don't
want to have to be dodging glass fragments, especially if barefoot
.
Find screws that match the color of the frames and firmly attach the
pictures. Just tell her to make up her mind where she wants the
pictures....one shot!
JMHO.
Wayne
M/V Celestial
Albin43 Sundeck
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:11:34 -0500
From: "Charles Culotta" <>
Subject: T&T: PT Boat / Crew Boats/was /Multi-engine maneuvering story
/was Single lever controls....)
To: "trawler list" <>
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> I described the engine and transmission arrangement in a WWII Elco PT
> boat in an earlier post
Marin,
As I have previously stated the ONLY ALUMINUM PT boat ever built is just up
the bayou from my home. Note please that TWO boats were built to this design
but only ONE was of aluminum.
There is one reference book that says two were built.
ANYWAY, it will be launched in the next week or so. I installed a Chart
Plotter etc on it last week.
A picture of it is on my web site. Click on " Pictures of CCRIDER" pg 2.
The owner Ray Tyler has installed two GM 16V 71 diesels in it. That is 16
cylinders with 71 cu inches per cyl.
As soon as it splashes we will start "sea trials".
He has installed up to date air controls so there is no seat in the eng
room for a " motormac".
Rich mentioned CREW BOATS.
One mile down stream of our home is GULF CRAFT boat builders. Las yr they
launched the worlds largest crew supply boat.
The largest crewboat in the world was blt one mile down the river fr here.
190 ft x35 x14. It has 5 1800 hp Cummins for a total of 9,000 hp. and a
dynamic positioning system with a
computer that holds the boat in place even in ser and gps and a 360 degree
drop dwn bow thruster in its dynamic positioning system. This has its own
400 hp Cummins
Seats 97 in business class seats.
Max speed 24kts. 425 gph
Cruise 23 kts 370 gph
Economy speed 20 kts. 310 gph
Has 52 inch wheels.
Used eng oil is filtered and blended into the diesel tanks
6 cyl eng for the air compressor
The bilge pump has a 3 inch suction.
170 tons of alum. went into it.
By the way it has a conventional spoked steering wheel!
Hull draft is 9 ft.
Loaded draft 11 ft.
AND it has SINGLE LEVER controls. This morning I called one of the
owners of the co. that built it to confirm this
( Personally I like the duals, that I have!)
I went on it and it is impressive, to say the least.
These boats are built upside down on a jig. When complete two cranes pick
them up and roll them upright. They are set on the ground. No skids,
nothing. A bull dozer shoves the hull into the water and it is then pulled
up a marine way for completion.
Great entertainment for gear heads.
CCC
M/V CC RIDER
CHARLES C. and PAT CULOTTA, Jr.
Patterson, La.
http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:38:47 -0700
From: "Robby & Dolores" <>
Subject: T&T: Re: Charging systems
To: <>
Cc: Trawler World <>
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Ron Roger's said: "First, a while back I found on either on the Trojan
site or the Xantrex site that you should not float Trojan deep-cycle
batteries.. I had a charger
which allowed me to turn that phase off"
====================================
I have four Trojan T-125 6-volt batteries in a house bank being charged by
a Heart 2500 controlled by a Link 1000. When plugged in to dock power,
the float voltage seems to rest at 1.370 to 1.380. I have to add about a
gallon of water every 3-4 months to these batteries.
Like Jim, I'm afraid I'm killing the Trojans by floating them at too high
a voltage, but thus far, I haven't been able to adjust that voltage
downward using the Link 1000.
Questions to the list:
a. How can I adjust the float voltage downward?
b. What voltage should the float be?
c. In view of Ron's comment above, would I be better to just turn off
the "charge" function when I am in my slip after bringing up the house
bank to full charge?
Regards Robby []
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:54:18 -0400
From: "Dan Lanier" <>
Subject: T&T: Velcro on varnish
To: "Trawler World List Email"
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Wayne wrote:
Just tell her to make up her mind where she wants the
pictures....one shot!
REPLY:
Sounds like an excellent strategy to permanently delay this project.......I
have used it on more than one occasion........just kidding ladies......well
sort of.
Dan Lanier
Melbourne, FL
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:08:58 EDT
From:
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In a message dated 7/31/04 12:03:50 AM, Marin writes:
<< Of greater concern to us is what the moist marine environment does to
pictures. It warps them. We had a nice signed print that we bought
specifically for the aft cabin, and after about a month the paper had
warped in its frame. We consulted an experienced art and framing store
about this, and they said there was little that could be done to prevent
this other than perhaps hot-pressing the print to a piece of foam core
or some other medium that would not be susceptible to moist and humid
air. However, this would greatly reduce the value of the signed print,
if we cared about things like that. They said they could seal the back
of a framed picture with plastic, but they felt that while this might
hold off the warping for awhile, eventually the paper would absorb
enough moisture to start getting wavy. >>
Marin,
My wife, the artist, says that this is due to the differential contraction of
the print paper and the mounting medium when exposed to moisture. There seem
to be two ways to correct this. The first is to use a "floating mount" system
in which the print is very loosely attached to the backboard and a mat placed
over it. This will let the print contract and expand relatively freely. The
second approach is to firmly attach the print to the mounting board, using
either artist's paste or shellac tissues, then attach an identical piece of
paper
by the same method to the back of the board. However, she concurs with your
opinion that it is not a good ideal to keep a valuable piece of artwork aboard
a
boat smaller than the QE2.
Larry Z
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:16:19 EDT
From:
Subject: T&T: Velcro attachment of paintings
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In a message dated 7/31/04 12:03:50 AM, John writes:
<< Does anyone have experience with using Velcro type tapes to hang
pictures on wood paneling. My boat has a satin finish on Teak veneer
paneling and I was hoping to not have to drill a picture hanger. My
experience with some Velcro that I have used is that it is strong enough
but the adhesive may not stick or may damage the varnish. Thanks for
your advice on this or any other way to hang a picture frame. >>
John,
We use industrial strength Velcro tape to do most of the non-permanent
fastening around our boat and house. This is the 2" wide tape found in Home
Depot
and Lowes, not the softer, narrower, less tenacious tape sold in fabric shops.
We use Velcro to hold the GPS on deck, keep binoculars from slipping around,
attach remote controls to the TV to keep them from hiding behind couch
cushions,
fasten the cell phone to the auto dash, etc. A piece of the fuzzy fabric, the
eyes, is attached to the moveable object. The harder hooks are attached to
the fixed surface. I have laid a couple of long strips of the hook material
across the control console to hold any suitably Velcroed objects I might place
there in rough seas. The adhesive is very strong but so far has not damaged
any
fiberglass. I can't vouch for it on varnish though. One shortcoming is that
the
adhesive loses strength in very hot environments.
I suppose it would be a good way to hang a lightweight picture frame - but
like they always say, test it on an inconspicuous piece of woodwork first
(like
inside a closet) to see if any finish will lift off when you remove it. Other
options might be to install a pair of picture rails that will accept the type
of pictures you want to hang. Of course you can always use conventional
picture hooks and hide the holes with filler when you decide to remove them.
Larry Z
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:35:40 EDT
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Subject: T&T: Re: Noise tolerance
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In a message dated 7/31/04 12:03:50 AM, Bob writes:
<< I have found, from personal experience, that if you spend some time in
very
close proximity to very loud noises you can develope a high tolerance to
that particular frequency. >>
Unfortunately this is due to temporary, and sometimes permanent, ear damage.
Continuous exposure to high level sound of a particular frequency will
macerate the hair cells in the cochlea which respond to that pitch. This
phenomenon
was so common with airplane pilots who logged many hours in piston engine
powered aircraft that acousticians had a name for it - "the 4000 cycle notch."
Hearing was relatively normal below that frequency, and not too bad above it,
but
showed a drop of up to 30 decibels near the 4000 cps range. Unfortunately much
of the information content of speech is in the 1000 cps to 4000 cps region.
The moral: If you want to hear your grandchildren's first words, quiet your
old
Detroits.
Larry Z
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:16:41 +0000
From: "bob england" <>
Subject: T&T: RE RE Noise tolerance
To:
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I whole heartedly agree. The damage to my hearing occured when i was younger
and bulltproof. Standing between two 16-92 detroits running at full bore
through straight pipes on a drilling rig will damage your hearing beyond
repair. i can barely hear some sounds that others find objectionable. And as
a bonus my ears never stop ringing. Neat stuff, if i had it to do over i
would wear protection.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:27:00 -0500
From: "Bob Austin" <>
Subject: T&T: RE RE Noise tolerance
To: "1Trawler world" <>
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Good quality hearing protectors (ear muff type) shoud be handing right
outside
of the engine room, so they can be put on before going into a noisey
enironment.
Bob Austin
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:29:25 -0500
From: "Bob Austin" <>
Subject: T&T: Velcro on varnish
To: "1Trawler world" <>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
We always have oil paintings on our boats, rather than prints (comming from a
family of artists helps). Also we choose frames with a broad white border
some where in the frame bands and put a counter sunk screw in this white
area--and a dab of white paint over the screw head to hide it.
I would not use velcro on varnished surfaces to hold a picture.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:43:32 -0400
From: "Gil" <>
Subject: T&T: Welding Cable
To: <>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
While at my local boating supply store (a national chain) I was picking up
some 2/0 marine cable; it sure is expensive. An employee of the store said I
should go to the local welding supply store where the same gage welding cable
sells for 25% of marine cable. Should I take his advise? If not, why not?
Thanks,
Gil
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:26:12 -0500
From: "Bob Austin" <>
Subject: T&T: Welding cable
To: "Gil" <>, "1Trawler world"
<>
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As I understand it AWG (American Wire Gauge) which is what the marine wire
is,
has less and thicker strands. For example 2/0 AWG has 19 strands of wire
which are equitant to #14 solid wire. The Locomotive or welding cable 2/0
cable has 325 strands of equivalent to #24 solid wire. The marine wire is
usually tinned. Generally the insulation on AWG is thinner, harder and less
flexible than the locomotative/welding cable which is more flexible and
thicker insulation. The actual diameter of the AWG wire is 0.42 inches and
Welding cable is 0.46 inches.
Certainly the welding cable will work. My personal opinion is that it is
more
subject to corrosion because of the lack of tinning--and thinner wire. It
needs more support. I have used both, but prefer the marine cable.
Bob Austin
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:03:32 -0400
From: "Ron Rogers" <>
Subject: T&T: Re: PT Boat / Crew Boats/was /Multi-engine maneuvering
story /was Single lever controls....)
To: "Charles Culotta" <>, "trawler list"
<>
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Yup, I'd use that there economy speed myself. That be only 62gph per
engine - right efficient.
Ron Rogers
Willard 40 AIRBORNE
Lying Annapolis
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From: "Charles Culotta" <>
| Economy speed 20 kts. 310 gph
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:41:45 -0400
From: "Ron Rogers" <>
Subject: T&T: ICOM Pricing
To: "Trawlers & Trawlering"
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If you are shopping for a VHF, I noticed that Defender has significantly
lower prices on the ICOM 502 and the black colored 602 - go figure. Same for
Digital Antenna cellular amplifier. If you add it to your cart, the price
drops around $50.00.
In a world where prices at West/Boat US are occasionally ridiculous, it pays
to shop.
Frugally yours,
Ron Rogers
Willard 40 AIRBORNE
Lying Annapolis
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