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Subject: RE: TWL: Re: RE:one large dedicated bed room, one large head, nice sized laundry room and galley
From: frank weismantel (fxw@XXX.XXX)
Date: Sun Feb 02 2003 - 17:15:42 EST
Hello All,
Every time I read this post I see the Krogen 39 in my minds eye. Full
displacement hull form. Single master cabin forward (surprisingly large),
single head and guests sleep in the salon. Galley is up and U shaped.
Utility space in engine room is a feature the designer is particularly proud
of (at least in their advertising). Other readily available designs that
largely subscribe to this philosophy are:
Nordhavn 46 with the forward master option, the guest cabin is best used as
an office as configured by Russ and Donna Sherwin on Four Seasons,
definitely a home for two. Full displacement hull form. Galley up, Stacked
W/D in hallway next to master stateroom. Their boat just "felt" like a
home. However, it does have 2 heads. When it was time to leave Russ, Donna
and Claudette had to pry my claw-like grip off the cap rail. I really
didn't want to leave.
Nordic Tug 37 (convertible), there is an article in the latest passagemaker
magazine describing their layout for just the scenario you describe. Galley
is up with lots of Diamond Sea Glaze windows. Semi-Displacement hull form
and a reasonable engine room for a Tug layout. I There is no utility room
but a photo of the W/D installation exists in this months passagemaker
magazine. We see these all the time at Ballena Isle in Alameda. They look
great and ooze quality.
Nordhavn 35 Coastal Pilot, we sailed on this boat from Ensenada to Dana
Point and were impressed with its potential for a couple. No mere harbor
toy, it felt like a bank vault at sea. Nice fwd master, single small head,
factory can add a splendide type w/d but it wouldn't be in a "utility room",
galley down is probably not your choice but it makes the salon liveable and
the U shaped galley strikes me as a safer place to work at sea.
Semi-Displacement is either a benefit or detraction, depending on owners
mindset.
Navigator 37, to me, an odd duck to look at, but the layout comes very close
to optimum for your laundry list (pun intended). Semi Displacement hull
form, twin engines. Suggest a visit to the navigator website to see if this
is the layout for you. They have a reputation for good quality and a
contrarian attitude towards our full displacement single engine
passagemaking mindset.
Another off the beaten path design are the Diesel Ducks. Since they are
basically custom boats you can have any layout you want as long as George
Buehler can package it all in the length you desire. I've never laid eyes
on a Duck so I won't comment on the boat. You'd have to search one out and
check out Buehlers excellent website. Full displacement hull forms built
mostly out of steel. There is an overseas yard (China, I think) trying to
make a go of offering a "standardized" duck at an attractive price.
Another semi displacement trawler (but not a pilothouse trawler) is the new
Mainship 40. The guest cabin is not too extensive and your guests sure
wouldn't want to spend very many days there. The galley is up. For a new
boat, the price is right but you'd have to really examine this particular
trawler to make certain its cost compromises are consistent with your
cruising plans. You're going to think this is strange but I really like the
barstools at the settee, a very homey feature for casual meals "pour deux",
(most of them).
You probably know everything there is to know about the Nordhavn 40 so I'll
leave you to your own opinions.
Recently introduced is a Nordhavn 43 with the master cabin amidships. I
have the drawings from PAE and it looks to Claudette and I like the perfect
liveaboard for 2. Since it has a second head, it may not really appeal to
you, especially as removal of the extra head was one of your goals. Full
displacement hull form. No dedicated "utility room" but ample room for w/d
and storage appears unusually generous. You'll have to contact PAE for
plans since the Nordhavn website doesn't have them posted as yet (I didn't
check the Nordy website today so anything is possible).
I talked with Park Isle last summer about exactly your arrangement for
Claudette and I. Roy can do it, especially with the utility room which is a
feature he likes to see on his boats. They have some generic floor plans
you may want to see. They are custom boats and have high quality and
commensurate price. The boat would be a pilot house trawler, laid out to
your specifications. Somewhere out on the list are Al and Jane Castleman,
owners of Fine Romance, a Park Isle 57. I've corresponded with them and
they would probably be open to corresponding with you about their
experiences with Park Isle and their boat. You might need to "Ping" them on
the list. I'm sure that is acceptable list etiquette. I think the
Castleman's have a website dedicated to their boat. Park Isle Marine also
has a website but talking with Roy Parkinson is the only way to really learn
what they are all about.
God knows how many brokerage boats there are out there that fit your
criteria. Problem is you happen upon them one at a time because there is
little current advertising or magazine articles steering you towards those
unique choices. Of course, that is one of the very best features of the
TWL, lots of experienced trawler owners with a passion for trawlering and
sharing their knowledge.
The issue with this list, for me, is price. You're starting around 350K for
a commissioned vessel, moving right through half a million for a used N46
configured for ocean travel. I can only guess what an N43 will cost,
probably around $700 - 800K commissioned and ready to make passage. The new
boats are expensive and the used versions, well cared for or not, command
high resale prices as well.
In order to get the initial dollars down, there are lots of Taiwanese
"Eurosedan" style boats that lend themselves to your criteria and, with a
little elbow grease for sweat equity, could be transformed into your layout
by modifying the guest stateroom and head areas. I question the ultimate
impact on resale value and recovery of your additional investment. Your
crystal ball may not be as cloudy as mine.
I wonder if the presence of a second cabin is as much a liability as you
might think? Live aboards have lots of "stuff" that only gets used
seasonally and the additional storage space offered underneath bunks in a
guest cabin or office/utility room strikes me as mandatory towards reducing
clutter and providing the owners breathing room aboard.
My main problem with a single head vessel mixed with guests is simple. No
matter how simply we explain the requirements, they don't really understand
how to deal with a marine head and I'd hate to have my/our cruise
delayed/ruined by a non-functional head. With 2 heads you have a back up
and can wait till you make port to deal with the plugged plumbing.
I hope this helps. In any event, just my opinion and no commercial
involvement with the companies listed and etc...
Best Regards To All,
Frank & Claudette Weismantel
Elverta, CA
Boatless for a little while longer
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Subject: Re: TWL: Re: RE:one large dedicated bed room, one large head, nice
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