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Subject: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
From: ronald barr (rwhb@XXX.XXX)
Date: Sun Sep 02 2001 - 08:58:37 EDT
Interesting concept. Can there be variation in a fluxgate comass, eg:
KVH etc?
Talking about Garmin - has anyone seen their new 2010 color GPS plotter
yet? This 10" unit is supposed to be out this month but I assume it may
have appeared at boatshows?
Ron Barr
M/V Lady Brookhaven
42" Hatteras LRC
Westport MA. USA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@XXX.XXX
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@XXX.XXX]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:00 AM
To: trawler-world-list-digest@XXX.XXX
Subject: trawler-world-list V5 #63
trawler-world-list Sunday, September 2 2001 Volume 05 : Number
063
TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
TWL: Re: Fly bridge enclosure and canvas
TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
TWL: Jefferson 48 (45+) Motor Yacht
TWL: lubrication of ball valves
TWL: Perkins T63544 185 hp
Re: TWL: Prop rotation
TWL: Re: lubrication of ball valves
TWL: NW Washington Coast
TWL: RE: spam avoidance while cruising
TWL: Fuel costs in Pensacola
TWL: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
TWL: Re: Texas/Clear Lake Marinas -- Need dockage recommendation
TWL: Re: Fuel costs in Pensacola
Re: TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
TWL: Fuel Cost in Panama City, FL
RE: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
TWL: Re: Fuel costs in Pensacola
TWL: SPAM AVOIDANCE
TWL: RE: SPAM AVOIDANCE
TWL: Electric Davit Winches
Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
RE: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Re: TWL: Prop rotation
Re: TWL: Prop rotation
Re: TWL: Prop rotation
Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Re: TWL: Prop rotation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:02:02 -0500
From: Keith <klemmons@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
Can anyone suggest a server to set up a new e-mail address? I set one up
at hotmail, and without ever sending or posting one message with that
address, it filled up with spam right away. Where the heck did they get
the address?
- --
__________________
Keith
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:21:14 -0400
From: "Howard W. Evirs, Jr." <howardev@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Re: Fly bridge enclosure and canvas
I shall not try to cover your questions, but instead offer just one
recommendation: have your Stratoglass, or equivalent, cut and stiched
so as
to cover the zippers. My original enclosure had zippers along edge of
the
"smiles". When I added some new side smiles, the canvas shop cut "u's"
that
privided vertical sides with small radii at the bottom corners. And,
they
provided overlap so no rain comes in through the zippers. Looks much
better, provides maximum air (we are in Florida, not Massachusetts) and
no
leaks when closed.
Regards,
Capt. Howard Evirs
M/V White Squall
Sundeck trawler with hard top bridge.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:42:10 -0400
From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
"I set one up
at hotmail, and without ever sending or posting one message with that
address, it filled up with spam right away. Where the heck did they get
the address?"
I believe that "hot mail" is Free? Well, as the old saying goes "there
ain't no such thing as a free lunch!" Now you know why it's offered
"free",
they sell your email address to anyone and everyone!
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:46:15 -0400
From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Jefferson 48 (45+) Motor Yacht
I am currently involved in negotiations for the purchase of a 1983
Jefferson
48, Aft Cockpit MY, which is essentially the Jefferson 45 with an added
aft
cockpit. These boats were built by Hershine and imported under the
Jefferson
name between 1982 and 1989. Would like to hear from anyone on the list
who
owns or is familiar with this boat?
Thanks,
Jim Alexander
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:48:57 -0500
From: Keith <klemmons@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: lubrication of ball valves
I'm trying to do all that maintenance you do while you're on the hard.
Calder says that you need to lubricate ball valves once a year, but he
doesn't suggest what to use. What the heck do you lube them with?
Silicone? WD-40? I already did the rubber plug types with silicone
grease, but am clueless as to what to use on the ball valves on the
thru-hulls.
- --
__________________
Keith
At least you're not being rectally probed by aliens...
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:53:08 -0400
From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Perkins T63544 185 hp
Currently negotiating on a vessel that I am told is equipped with
Perkins
model T63544 185 hp diesels and would like to get some more information
on
them if possible.
It is interesting that when I spoke with a diesel surveyor familiar with
the
Perkins line he told me that Perkins did not make a T6354 in 185 hp
(except
for some obscure British application) When I inquired via
boatdiesel.com I
did find a "Perkins/Sabre" 185 hp diesel that looks very similar to the
engines in question, but had the model "Range 4 M200Ti".
Any help here?
Jim Alexander
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:07:29 EDT
From: AlorMaria@XXX.XXX
Subject: Re: TWL: Prop rotation
In a message dated 8/31/01 7:26:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pgslo@XXX.XXX
writes:
<< ."Right handed props are almost, but not quite, universal on single
screw
boats".
>>
In my humble experience, most Ford Lehman powered single screw boats are
left
handed while most Perkins, Cummings and Cats are right handed. Most
Volvo
engined trawlers are waiting for parts. {8^0
Laughing and heading for the bunker.....
Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader "Angelina"
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 08:31:37 -0700
From: "george gliksman" <george-pamela@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Re: lubrication of ball valves
. What the heck do you lube them with?
I have always had good luck with Lubriplate waterpump grease available
at
automotive stores such as Napa.
George
M/V Ocean Lady
------------------------------
Date: 1 Sep 2001 08:41:05 -0400
From: "Michael Maurice" <mikem@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: NW Washington Coast
On Thursday:
Fuel was $1.20 at Westport/Grays Harbor.
$1.40 at Neah Bay.
Major Accident at Quilliuete River on Thursday Morning.
17' Boston Whaler found on rocks. 4 Persons missing.
That afternoon, 3 people in water at Nehalem River.
Ocean very calm on Thursday.
Lots of big and small debris in Strait of Juan De Fuca near Port
Townsend.
Some crab pots above Destruction Island, close inshore.
Lots of pots on Peacock Spit, Columbia River entrance.
2 or 3 pieces of small debris in ocean from Cape Flattery to Columbia
River.
Columbia River almost debris free from mouth to Hayden Island.
Wall to wall boats at Columbia River bouy ten entrance. Small boats all
over the place near small tributary rivers coming into the Columbia.
Albacore Tuna being caught 43 miles west of Grays Harbor.
Nightwind out of Bodega Bay delivered 80 tons, this week.
Sport boats report up to 80 fish per day caught.
Fog in east end of Strait of Juan De Fuca, clear of fog with clouds and
drizzle on coast.
Capt. Mike Maurice
Near Portland Oregon.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:10:13 -0700
From: "Jerome A. Schroeder" <jschroeder1@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: RE: spam avoidance while cruising
For the past year Hot mail has a junk mail filter that sends bulk mail
into
a separate folder to be automatically dispossed of in a week or two.
You
still get advertisements offering "services," but far fewer than in the
past. They get your name by random selection and sheer chance. Eg.
they'll generate a mailing to all the Jims. Jim1@hotmail, jim2@hotmail
etc.
Crude but effective. Picking oddball names will often filter much of
the
junk. Eg. gotterdammerung@XXX.XXX
Jerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-trawler-world-list@XXX.XXX
> [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@XXX.XXX]On Behalf Of Jim
Alexander
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:42 AM
> To: Trawler World
> Subject: TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
>
>
> "I set one up
> at hotmail, and without ever sending or posting one message with that
> address, it filled up with spam right away. Where the heck did they
get
> the address?"
>
> I believe that "hot mail" is Free? Well, as the old saying goes
"there
> ain't no such thing as a free lunch!" Now you know why it's
> offered "free",
> they sell your email address to anyone and everyone!
>
> Jim
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:12:03 EDT
From: Thataway@XXX.XXX
Subject: TWL: Fuel costs in Pensacola
I called the two major marinas who supply diesel to recreational boats
this
last week. The Bahia Mar, Seville Harbour and Palafox pier, all owned by
the
same individual and where most transcients stop was $1.80 a gallon.
Bayou
Chico Marina, just behind marker #13 in Bayou Chico was $1.29, minus
five
cents for cash. This is where many local people purchase fuel. Oh by
the
way--I was told that the $1.80 a gallon was "premium Diesel". It all
comes
from one distributer--go figure.
I will be off to Clear Lake TX--to take devilary of the Carver 30 Aft
cabin,
get some work started on it, then to Calif. and on the way back bring
the
Carver back to Florida.
I may check in to the list peroidically--until I return good trawling.
Bob Austin
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:28:29 -0700
From: "Jim Donohue" <jim_donohue@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Furuno has a new GPS Compass out in two models - The SC 60 and the SC
120.
These are pretty high end and include three antennas and solid state
accelerometers to hold course under bridges and such. Accuracy is 0.8
degrees on the SC 60 and .5 degrees on the SC 120. The SC 60 is about
$3500.
While still out of recreational boat price range I would project a
Garmin
or similar well under $1000 within a year or two.
It becomes the standard gizmo in 5 years? Our grandchildren will want
us to
explain those exotic things like deviation and variation.
Furuno PDF Brochure at:
http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/pdf/SC60.pdf
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:44:26 -0500
From: "Zeke Anderson" <zeekstah@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Re: Texas/Clear Lake Marinas -- Need dockage
recommendation
>We are especially
> interested in the security side since the Admiral may be staying there
> alone some while I travel. Looking forward to meeting some of the
> listees in the area.
>
> John & Cyndi Esch
>
>
We kept our PT 38 at Seabrook Shipyard for 3 months. They have security
24/7. Also the marina is within an island where access is limited. My
neighbor didn't even lock his dock box. The management is very friendly
and
cooperative.
Zeke Anderson
Kerrville TX
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:01:28 -0700
From: "Alex Hirsekorn" <alexh@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Re: Fuel costs in Pensacola
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Thataway@XXX.XXX>
> Oh by the
> way--I was told that the $1.80 a gallon was "premium Diesel". It all
comes
> from one distributer--go figure.
>
Hi Bob,
The term "Premium Diesel" implies that additives have been used to
improve
one or more of the following:
1. Lubricity
2. Pour Point
3. Cetane #
4. Water Dissipation
5. Maybe some other stuff that I don't remember.
At least in the US these things don't really need improving. OTOH: It's
hard
to fault someone who wants an extra safety margin (and is willing to pay
for
it).
My former employer sold "Premium Diesel". It was blended on delivery
using
ordinary diesel and a few gallons of additive (Delivery size ranged from
1
to 4 thousand gallons). I don't remember the exact figures but our cost
increased less than a nickel per gallon and our selling price increased
less
than a dime.
Frugally yours,
Alex
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:53:15 -0700
From: Steven Dubnoff <sdubnoff@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: spam avoidance while cruising
At 08:02 AM 9/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone suggest a server to set up a new e-mail address?
Besides, the previously mentioned, spamcop.net, which will cost money, a
good free web-based service, similar to hotmail, is apexmail.com.
Best,
Steve
Steve Dubnoff
Nauticat 40 M/S, Pyxis, in Washington
sdubnoff@XXX.XXX
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:44:25 -0700
From: "Jerome A. Schroeder" <jschroeder1@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
5 years? I've got a Garmin GPS 12 ($149.99) permanently mounted in the
wheelhouse and hard wired into my electrical system. Right next to the
compass. Deviation in Puget Sound is pretty extreme, so the compass is
not
used that much for navigation except as a keep on course device. I
can't
imagine anyone traveling more than a few miles without a GPS unit, even
an
el-cheapo hand-held. After charts, and compass the first navigational
device a new boater should buy is a handheld GPS unit. Even as you
upgrade,
it will serve as an emergency backup unit. Much to my amazement, I
keep on
running across boaters who don't have any kind of GPS system.
One screen on my GPS 12 gives me bearing, tracking, compass (M or T)
distance traveled (m, or nm), Lat, Long, time, altitude(!) and speed.
Together with good charts, there ain't too much more I can ask for.
Indeed,
on a summer cruise late at night it helped me find a hidden and unlit
harbor
in the midst of a heavy rain. My only serious gripe is that it has a
poor
backlight system, and even that might be cured by a careful perusal of
the
manual. A minor gripe is that it takes about 30 to 40 seconds to
acquire a
sattellite signal. No outside antenna. But once acquired, it stays
acquired. Good internal circutry.
My first GPS unit was the Garmin eTrex. All I can say about it is that
it
worked and taught me what I wanted in a GPS unit. But, time to acquire
a
signal, and poor screen menus quickly religated it to backup service.
The
Garmin 12 is far superior. But, I'm sure that Lowrance and Magellan
supply
similar units.
Now, I'm seriously considering a more expensive GPS unit. Preferrably
one
with charting functions. Other features, such as tieing them into an
autopilot would be welcome. The Furno looks like the cat's meow. But,
I
also know that I don't really NEED anything more than my $149.99
(USWest)
Garmin GPS 12. Indeed, I could navigate the USS Abraham Lincoln with
it.
I'll probably wait until I move up to a slightly bigger boat.
Jerry Schroeder
M/V Surprise
21' Ranger R21
Ballard WA
> To: trawler-world-list@XXX.XXX
> Subject: TWL: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
>
> Furuno has a new GPS Compass out in two models - The SC 60 and the SC
120.
> These are pretty high end and include three antennas and solid state
> accelerometers to hold course under bridges and such. Accuracy is 0.8
> degrees on the SC 60 and .5 degrees on the SC 120. The SC 60 is about
> $3500.
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:50:54 -0700
From: Ken Phelps <phelps@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
"Jerome A. Schroeder" wrote:
(snip)
But, I
> also know that I don't really NEED anything more than my $149.99
(USWest)
> Garmin GPS 12. Indeed, I could navigate the USS Abraham Lincoln with
it.
(snip)
Jerry,
Kind of makes you wonder just what they're doing on vessels like the
Exxon
Valdez, doesn't it.
Ken Phelps
phelps@XXX.XXX
- --
"It is impossible to reason someone out of something
that he did not reason himself into in the first place."
- Jonathan Swift
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:52:44 EDT
From: Albin43Tr@XXX.XXX
Subject: TWL: Fuel Cost in Panama City, FL
'lo All,
For those who may be passing through Panama City, FL, the current diesel
fuel
price at the Panama City Marina is $1.17 plus $0.07 tax, or about
$1.25/gal
at the non-commercial rate. (Price at marina pumps do not include tax.)
There
are several other places that sell diesel fuel also, such as Bay Point
Yacht
Club @XXX.XXX
Wayne
M/V Celestial
Albin 43 Sundeck
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:03:57 -0700
From: "Jerome A. Schroeder" <jschroeder1@XXX.XXX>
Subject: RE: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
Indeed, I could navigate the USS Abraham
> Lincoln with it.
>
> (snip)
>
> Jerry,
>
> Kind of makes you wonder just what they're doing on vessels like the
Exxon
> Valdez, doesn't it.
>
> Ken Phelps
> phelps@XXX.XXX
>
Were accurate GPS units available then? The Captain apparently was
checking
on the quality of the bourbon on board. Perhaps I overstated
navigating
the USS Abraham Lincoln. My Garmin GPS12 gives me a position within 30
or
40 yards. Vastly superior to anything available a generation ago, but
perhaps not quite as accurate enough to thread thru a rocky passage.
Jerry
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:29:04 -0500
From: Charles Culotta <cculotta@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: Re: Fuel costs in Pensacola
By way of reference: Purchased fuel in Morgan City ,La. ( 95 miles west
of New
Orleans On ICW) for $1.03 per gallon. I asked why so much as the last
fuel I
pur. fr them abt 3 mos ago was 87 Cents!
CCC
Alex Hirsekorn wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Thataway@XXX.XXX>
>
> > Oh by the
> > way--I was told that the $1.80 a gallon was "premium Diesel". It
all
> comes
> > from one distributer--go figure.
> >
> Hi Bob,
>
> The term "Premium Diesel" implies that additives have been used to
improve
> one or more of the following:
>
> 1. Lubricity
> 2. Pour Point
> 3. Cetane #
> 4. Water Dissipation
> 5. Maybe some other stuff that I don't remember.
>
> At least in the US these things don't really need improving. OTOH:
It's hard
> to fault someone who wants an extra safety margin (and is willing to
pay for
> it).
>
> My former employer sold "Premium Diesel". It was blended on delivery
using
> ordinary diesel and a few gallons of additive (Delivery size ranged
from 1
> to 4 thousand gallons). I don't remember the exact figures but our
cost
> increased less than a nickel per gallon and our selling price
increased less
> than a dime.
>
> Frugally yours,
>
> Alex
- --
Charles and Pat Culotta
Patterson, La.
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:53:01 -0400
From: "GQuarters" <gquarters@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: SPAM AVOIDANCE
By using an _ in your username, you can get around much of the spam,
also
using the Hotmail juink mail scanner. I get very little, maybe 2 pieces
a
week..Give it a try..
Dennis
GQuarters.
_________________________________________________________ Do You
Yahoo!? Get your free @XXX.XXX
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:59:09 -0700
From: Jay Kerr <jkerr@XXX.XXX>
Subject: TWL: RE: SPAM AVOIDANCE
I've been using SpamKiller for a couple weeks now, and it works great.
BUT:
It doesn't work with web-based accounts such as Hotmail. It is a
separate
application that scans your account periodically and moves mail
identified
as SPAM out of you account into its Killed Mail folder. For cruisers, it
would work best if it was running on a shore based computer at home.
While
checking your mail from the boat, you get only the "clean" mail that
Spam
Killer leaves in your mail box. Once back on shore, you can check Spam
Killer to make sure it hasn't made SPAM out of something legitimate.
Other cool features: you can designate certain senders as "friends",
send
complaints to Spammers ISPs, create custom spam filters, and
automatically
download new filters from the authors website as new spammers are
identified.
Commercial software, $30.00
Jay Kerr
Portland, OR
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:43:57 EDT
From: Albin43Tr@XXX.XXX
Subject: TWL: Electric Davit Winches
'lo All,
I am pondering installation a 12 V DC electric winch/hoist on my dinghy
davit. It is a single-arm type that lifts and swings the dinghy aboard
using
a 3-point sling.
I have three basic requirements:
1. 12 V DC,
2. Capable of easily lifting a maximum of 500#,
3. Have a remote up/down controller on at least a 10' cord.
I have looked at the TWL archives and searched the internet and have
found a
few candidates, but thought that the collective experience and knowledge
of
folks on the list would prove valuable.
If you have or have experience with a similar type dinghy davit system
with
an electric winch, I would appreciate a private email stating:
1. Brand
2. Model / capacity
3. Environment (salt air or inland "fresh" air)
4. Length of time installed in this environment
5. Problems/failures encountered (including premature/exessive rust)
6. Overall satisfaction with:
a. Winch/hoist
b. Installation (including power cabling)
c. Problem resolution with the manufacturer and/or sales folks
7. If you were to install another winch/hoist, would you:
a. Buy the same brand and model (assuming the one you have is still
available)?
b. Buy another brand or model (why)?
c. Install it the same way?
If I get sufficient responses, I will collate them and post the results
on
the list.
Thanks in advance.
Wayne
M/V Celestial
Albin 43 Sundeck
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:59:43 -0500
From: "Zeke Anderson" <zeekstah@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
>
> Were accurate GPS units available then? The Captain apparently was
checking
> on the quality of the bourbon on board. Perhaps I overstated
navigating
> the USS Abraham Lincoln. My Garmin GPS12 gives me a position within
30 or
> 40 yards. Vastly superior to anything available a generation ago, but
> perhaps not quite as accurate enough to thread thru a rocky passage.
>
> Jerry
When I fitted out my new 1992 Almar Sounder 24, I installed a Si-Tex
Loran C
chart plotter. 5 years later (1997) that was still my primary navigating
device. Repeatedly accurate to 50 feet and usually much closer. I had a
Garmin hand held GPS hard wired in at the helm station, but I only used
it
in fog when I needed quicker updates to waypoints. Mainly relied on
radar
even then. That was operating out of Sequim Bay, WA into Juan de Fuca,
Admiralty Inlet and the Islands. If I were still there, still had the
boat
and if the gov is still sending out the signals, I'd probably still be
relying on the Loran C. Always used TDs too, never L&Ls. But then that's
local knowledge coupled with what you're comfortable with, what you
learned
on and in one's home waters. My next boat has GPS/WAAS interfaced to an
Electronic Navigation System. It's like driving a train...just stay
between
the dotted lines on autopilot and accurate to 8 feet. Rocky passages are
no
problem, two dimension-wise.
Zeke Anderson
Kerrville TX
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:12:08 -0700
From: "Jerome A. Schroeder" <jschroeder1@XXX.XXX>
Subject: RE: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
But then that's
> local knowledge coupled with what you're comfortable with, what
> you learned
> on and in one's home waters. My next boat has GPS/WAAS interfaced to
an
> Electronic Navigation System. It's like driving a train...just
> stay between
> the dotted lines on autopilot and accurate to 8 feet. Rocky
> passages are no
> problem, two dimension-wise.
>
> Zeke Anderson
> Kerrville TX
Local knowledge and the ability to read charts is serious stuff. I'm
in
the computer business. As a consequence I don't trust anything to do
with
computers, tho I'm perfectly willing to use them. I just like backup
information and two, even three ways of doing the same thing.
Careful perusal of the Charts in Puget Sound can keep you out of trouble
where a GPS or Loran might not. I often go to Eagle harbor/Winslow for
lunch. My first trip there almost had me running aground, I could
hear
the bottom scrapeing . If I had come a cropper, I could look at the
GPS
and know exactly where I was stuck. What a relief!
The new GPS dispensation is pretty good for accuracy. Typically I get
30
to 40 yards. Not too bad, but I wouldn't use it and an autopilot in
Puget
Sound. Since I've never used Loran and its fading from view, I'll
probably
never have a receiver on my boat. Yet, my brother-in-law, a commercial
fisherman out of Kodiak AK uses one all the time.
Jerry Schroeder
M/V Surprise
21' Ranger R21
Ballard WA
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:58:02 -0400
From: "M. Kenneth McQuage" <tobyboat@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
> > Kind of makes you wonder just what they're doing on vessels like the
Exxon Valdez......
> Were accurate GPS units available then? ..., but
> perhaps not quite as accurate enough to thread thru a rocky passage.
>
Heck the passage in which the EV ran aground is more than 5 miles wide
!
Makes me shutter to think of Compressed Liquid Natural Gas tankers
comming up the Chesapeake and docking off Calvert Cliffs Nuke Plant to
off
load - with or without GPS .....
Ken
Mrs. Hudson
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:14:19 -0700
From: Dolph McCranie <dmccrani@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: Prop rotation
>In a message dated 8/31/01 7:26:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pgslo@XXX.XXX
>writes:
>
><< ."Right handed props are almost, but not quite, universal on single
screw
> boats".
> >>
>
><<In my humble experience, most Ford Lehman powered single screw
>boats are left
>handed while most Perkins, Cummings and Cats are right handed. Most
Volvo
>engined trawlers are waiting for parts.>>
>
Al,
The single 3208 CAT on my KK Whaleback is also left handed.
- --
Dolph & Bev McCranie
M/V The Right Whale
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:17:54 -0500
From: Forrest Myers <femyers@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: Prop rotation
Trident , a 36' Willard, has a Perkins engine and a left hand propeller.
My two previous boats, a 26' Permacraft and a 32' Fales both were
Perkins powered and were left handed as well. The boat before that was a
25' Albin with a Volvo engine and it was left handed as well. The only
boat I've ever had that was right handed was a 1974 25' Chris Craft.
Forrest Myers
MV Trident
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:39:58 EDT
From: AlorMaria@XXX.XXX
Subject: Re: TWL: Prop rotation
In a message dated 9/1/01 8:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
femyers@XXX.XXX writes:
<< My two previous boats, a 26' Permacraft and a 32' Fales both were
Perkins powered and were left handed as well. The boat before that was
a
25' Albin with a Volvo engine and it was left handed as well. The only
boat I've ever had that was right handed was a 1974 25' Chris Craft.
>>
Once again, all generalizations are wrong.
I'm sure it has more to do with transmission selection than engine
selection.
That and certain engines seem to be paired with one type of transmission
more
often than not. I would imagine most hull manufacturers try to put the
helm
position on the side most convenient for docking with the appropriate
screw.
And here come the exceptions. INCOMING!!!
Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader "Angelina"
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:38:50 -0400
From: Arild Jensen <elnav@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Another traditional instrument to bite the dust?
someone wrote:
> Kind of makes you wonder just what they're doing on vessels like the
>Exxon Valdez . . .
and Ken replied:
> Makes me shutter to think of Compressed Liquid Natural Gas tankers
>comming up the Chesapeake and docking off Calvert Cliffs Nuke Plant to
off
>load - with or without GPS . . .
Arild chips in:
It was the Exxon Valdez that sparked the electronic chart revolution.
At
that time they didn't have such a thing.
Canada, realizing that these tankers sailing from Valdez to American
ports to the south also became concerned about the consequences if an
oil
spill happened off Vancouver island.
A white paper was circulated in government and industry circles asking
for
ideas and proposals on how to improve the situation.
Until that time basic chart plotters were all that was available. ie
Generation 1 C-map. Essentially a shoreline drawing on a monochrome
screen display. Depths and other details were extremely limited.
A company that had been developing specialized geologic curvey systems
for
the oil exploration industry working in the arctic proposed to develop
a
vector chart version equivalent to the official paper charts.
Eventually the commercial system was dubbed ECPINS - a precursoir for
the
later ECDIS which became the IMO standard.
The minister for Finance in Canada at the time also happened to own a
shipping company. He "volunteered" to have the shipping company test
this
ECPINS system on 11 of their vessels.
The intial trial was a huge success, despite some obvious short
comings.
Canada's Hydrographic Service was just then converting their
traditional
paper based database of cartography into a digital format. The ECPINS
trial forced the issue into the forefront and essentially drove the
development of electronic charting in Canada - and subsequently the
world.
The University of New Bruswick happened to have a department which was
doing GIS work for regular surveying and there they developed the
software which by now has become the industry benchmark.
CARIS ( the commercial software ) is now used worldwide by many other
Hydrographic offices in converting their database into electronic
charts.
I just happened to be witness to this whole process because I was at
that
time Course Director for Canadian Power & Sail Squadrons. I was
developing
training course material to update the Electronic Navigation course.
Naturally Electronic Charting caught everyon's imagination!
I was fortunate enough to be invited aboard several ships using this
system. In fact one company flew me to Montreal to board one of their
bulk
freighters as it journeyed upstream through the St. Lawrence Seaway
system.
I spent three days observing how this system functioned. As luck
would
have it, the crew was being given the full training course on that trip
and I sat in on it.
In addition, CPS sent me to various conferences pertaining to
hydrography
and electroninc Charting.
This again provided an unparalleled learning opportunity.
In international circles, Canada is considered a leader in electronic
cartography. ( of course our neighbours to the south doesn't like to
admit
that; but they did buy several ECPINS systems for their navy and
CoastGuard
ships for evaluation ) < grin>
As the IMO embraced the principels of electronic charting, and began
developing standards, industry raced to be among the first to get a
fully
IMO compliant system to market.
Ship owners also liked the sytem, because now they could get away with
hiring cheaper crew and officers.
With automation and elecretonic navigation, they figured they didn't
need
a Captain with 20 years experience. For that matter they figured they
didn't need a fourth mate or a radio officer and so on.
In todays commercial shipping world ( at least offshore) you will find
a
deplorable state of affairs compared to what it was fifteen years ago.
Ships that were once manned by 30 or 40 crew now are manned by 18 - 25
people.
Whreas you could expect to see an Officer of the Watch, a helmsman and a
lookout on the bridge in the old days, now you are lucky to find one
watch
keeper. Some ship's bridges do not even have provision for a person to
step outside for a better look.
A recent incident off the east coast highlights this situation.
A fishing trawler was rammed and sunk by a large ship that didn't even
stop. Fortunately, the skipper survived and reported the incident.
After
tracing all commercial ship movement in the area, a suspect ship was
located docked in Canada.
Subsequent investigation revealed damage and scrape marks plus paint
that
was considered conclusive evidence.
The point is the skipper and crew denied any knowledge of having struck
a
fishing boat.
Given today's technology, that is quite possibly true. A single watch
keeper cocooned inside a snug bridge in the dead of night and relying
on
automated GPS, RADAR and autopilot would likely be engrossed in the
overwhelming paperwork routine that is nowe required on all SOLAS
ships.
We have not seen another EXXON VALDEZ type incident in North America.
However, there have been a number of incidents elsewhere in the world
that
compare in terms of stupidity and negligence. Many of these newer
incidents which include both groundings and collisions are often
attributed
to technological short comings. not just crew errors.
So the next time you pass a big freighter and it doesn't look like
anybody
is on the bridge, you may just be right.
Cheers
Arild
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:13:48 -0400
From: "Wil Andrews" <captnwil@XXX.XXX>
Subject: Re: TWL: Prop rotation
But you'll have to stand in the corner because you forgot the CaptnWil
Law,
"Generalizations are generally wrong about specific things."
CaptnWil
>
> Once again, all generalizations are wrong.
>
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