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Re: TWL: Re: Bumble Bees Can't Fly (about fuel pumps)


Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Bumble Bees Can't Fly (about fuel pumps)
From: Wil Andrews (

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    This subject may be of interest to others on the list so here's a
    non-technical description of the circuit in a diesel engine that has a
    separate fuel injection pump. The circuit is a little different, but the
    results are the same in diesel engines that use each injector as the
    injection pump.

    The injection pump is the most complicated part of a diesel engine with the
    smallest clearances of all the parts. It is the very brain and brawn that
    allows a diesel engine to be a diesel engine. In passing, it is interesting
    to note that Robert Bosch invented the injection pump before Rudolph Diesel
    invented the diesel engine, and that those two and Otto (the inventor of the
    spark-ignition engine - gasoline) were contemporaries in Germany who lived
    within 50 miles of each other.

    The injection pump delivers fuel under high pressure and very precise
    amounts to the injectors. The injectors inject the fuel into the cylinders
    either directly or indirectly through a pre-combustion chamber. The
    injectors have springs that maintain the fuel pressure from the injection
    pump before it is delivered into the cylinders. The pressure needed to
    overcome the injector spring pressure can be as high as 2000-psi. Diesel
    engine specifications can be inspected to see just what the pressure is in a
    particular engine. This pressure must be higher than the pressure in the
    cylinder as the piston approaches top-dead-center (the point where maximum
    pressure is obtained).

    The job of the injection pump is so important that some means is necessary
    to keep the fuel supply to the injection pump constant. If is not constant,
    the injection pump will have a very difficult time of delivering the precise
    amount of fuel required by each cylinder. To allow the injection pump to do
    this critical work, most diesel engines include a "lift-pump." The job of
    the lift-pump is just to make sure the injection pump always has enough fuel
    to do its job correctly. To make all this as fool-proof as possible, the
    lift-pump is designed to supply more fuel than the injection pump can ever
    use. The excess is returned to the fuel tank from the injection pump
    through a spring-loaded relief valve in the injection pump. Most injection
    pump designs have a chamber to hold the incoming fuel and the injection pump
    draws its fuel from that chamber. It is the injection pump's "day-tank," if
    you will.

    The lift-pump on most engines is a very crude, diaphragm operated pump with
    spring-loaded valves on the inlet and outlet. These valves work is such a
    way so that any positive pressure from the suction side of the pump will
    allow the fuel to pass right through the pump. They also work to keep fuel
    from returning from the lift-pump to the suction side of the pump -- check
    valves of a sort. These pumps are very low pressure pumps in comparison to
    the pressure generated by the injection pump. There is no way that the
    lift-pump can put any fuel into the cylinder. It can only provide fuel for
    the injection pump.

    Then we have the little Walbro pump used in CaptnWil's diesel polishing
    systems. Its maximum outlet pressure is 7-psi. All it can do is circulate
    fuel. About all it can do is keep a little positive pressure on the suction
    side of the lift pump. I doubt if much, in any, fuel passes through the
    lift pump, the injection pump, and back to the fuel return when the engine
    isn't running. The pressure drop through the lift-pump and the relief valve
    in the injection-pump will make up much, if not all, of the discharge
    pressure of the Walbro pump. The bypass line around the engine in the
    polishing system is there for that very reason.

    In addition, the lift-pump-injection pump part of the circuit is in parallel
    with the bypass around the engine. Since the pressure drop through the
    bypass is very much less than the pressure drop through the other part of
    the circuit, almost no fuel will flow through the injection pump part of the
    circuit while the engine is not running.

    CaptnWil

    [SNIP]
    > I am not an expert on diesel engines, so please bear with what might be a
    > very basic question: Looking at your diagram I see that the fuel is
    pumped
    > by the Walbor into the lift pump on the engine, whether the engine is
    > running or not. If the engine is NOT running (and the lift pump is not
    > turning) how does the fuel get through? Is it able to flow through the
    > lift pump anyway? Also, what happens to the fuel when it goes into the
    > engine? It would seem to me that most fuel would return via the return
    > line, but also some would collect in the cylinders since they are not
    > firing. Clearly your system works just fine, so I'm obviously confused
    and
    > ignorant about just what's going on in there.
    >
    > Could you enlighten me [us] as to why this doesn't flood the engine with
    > fuel?





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