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From: Frank Reed (no email)
Date: Wed Apr 12 2006 - 20:11:28 EDT
Alex E wrote:
"I just looked at this
'Experimental navigation list'
and I don't think this was a good idea."
But you didn't even sign up. How could you experiment with it?
"Our old list was not so bad, after all.
Ok, few messages were delayed or even lost,
but this does not happen frequently, does it?"
Yes, it does, Alex. The list was completely dead for 48 hours last week
(with no indication of how long it would be down). The archive and our e-mail
inboxes were flooded with bizarre echo posts from months ago.The archive missed
over a week of messages recently because it was accidentally unsubscribed.
And this is not the first time for any of these events. A lot of this also
happened six months ago.
And you wrote:
"I tried to register for this new list
and was immediately asked about some Google account,
password etc. So I strongly prefer to stay in
the old list while it exists."
This is NOT correct. You can sign up for the google list as an e-mail
subscriber EXACTLY the way that you sign up for the present Navigation-L. If you
ALSO want to post on the boards (via the web interface) then you simply enter
your present e-mail address and select a password. No google account is
required under any circumstance. The password is required only for the web
interface. But... just so I'm clear on this then... you didn't actually look at the
experimental list. You saw something asking you to create a password and left.
Is that right?
And:
"And I think that there are noo good reasons for
having two lists on exactly the same topic, same
members etc. There was no substantial split in the interests
in this group, and the group is quite small, so why to start
a second list?"
Alex, once upon a time, you personally were posting hundreds of messages in
one month. But you don't follow this list closely now. So let me just ask you
this: did you receive the post entitled "compute suns position" a few days
ago? It was a post asking for help with the mathematics of calculating
positions of Solar System objects. Most people did not receive it. The archive has
no copy of it. How do you suppose the person who posted that feels? This is
the ONLY function a discussion mailing list is supposed to do with some degree
of accuracy: distribute messages. If it doesn't do that, then isn't it time
to find another server?
And:
"I am also in favor of "no attachments" policy of the old list."
This policy is a non-policy. It is generally not possible for Dan Hogan or
any other list "owner" to prevent attachments to any unmoderated list.
And:
"But the greatest loss from my point of view will be the
archive of the old list. Even if it will not be lost completely,
I think it is important to keep it publicly available.
Without any passwords, accounts etc."
What are you worried about?? Who said the list archive was going away? The
archive on irbs.com is not maintained by anyone on this list, and it can be
removed permanently on a moment's notice but as far as I know, no one is
planning to do that. I like having a list archive very much. In fact, two would be
better than one. But any "archive" scarcely deserves the name if it has
gaping holes in it and misses 1 or 2% of messages every month.
-FER
42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N 72.1W.
www.HistoricalAtlas.com/lunars
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