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Re: Mathematics Question

From: Lu Abel (no email)
Date: Thu Mar 30 2006 - 23:23:13 EST

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    I would disagree with "steradian." I think an earlier writer put it
    well - for parts of a circle we distinguish between an arc (a portion of
    a circle), the angle subtended by the arc, and the length of the arc
    (angle times radius). Steradian is the equivalent of the angle, not
    the arc...

    In fact, http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae174.cfm uses the
    analogy directly: "Steradians are a measure of the angular 'area'
    subtended by a two dimensional surface about the origin in three
    dimensional space, just as a radian is a measure of the angle subtended
    by a one dimensional line about the origin in two dimensional (plane)
    space. Steradians are equivalently referred to as 'square radians.'"

    Earlier today Herbert Prinz pointed out that in German there's a
    distinction between the solid angle and the section of the sphere
    subtended by it; the latter is called a "Kugelkappe" which translates
    literally as "sphere/ball cap"

    Lu Abel

    Robert Eno wrote:
    > Thanks to all for a most informative discussion.
    >
    > Just to let you know, I contacted a mathematician at the University of
    > Waterloo Department of Pure Mathematics to pose this question. He didn't
    > even bat an eye at the idea of some crackpot from the netherworld asking
    > for
    > obscure information. Unfortunately, he did not have an answer but he
    > promised to run it by his colleagues and get back to me. I in turn, will
    > report back to the list if I get an answer other than the ones provided. He
    > did, however, suggest that "steradian" may be an appropriate description.
    >
    > Robert
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Alexandre E Eremenko" <>
    > To: <>
    > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:08 PM
    > Subject: Re: Mathematics Question
    >
    >
    >> Dear Robert,
    >>
    >> It is possible that I misunderstood your question.
    >> It was not clear whether you asked about "arc" or
    >> about "arc measure".
    >>
    >> For a mathematician, an arc is a geometric object, a set,
    >> something you can see. "Arc measure" is just a number.
    >>
    >> It is like a difference between the lot of land on which your
    >> house stands and the number which is how many acres are
    >> in this lot of land. Or the difference between you, yourself,
    >> and your height:-)
    >>
    >> The set itself (=the geometric object, the piece of the sphere)
    >> in 3 dimensions is called variously a "cap" a "cup" or "sperical disc".
    >> Its SIZE is measured in square radians and called the "solid angle"
    >> as many list members pointed out.
    >>
    >> Thunk of the sentence "this cap has the solid ange of 0.0003 square
    >> radians"
    >> as an analog of the sentence "this lot has the area of 1.25 acres".
    >>
    >>
    >> Alex.
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Robert Eno wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > A math question for list:
    >>> >
    >>> > Given that a segment of a circle
    >>> > is called an "arc", can anyone
    >>> > tell me what its two-dimensional
    >>> > equivalent on a sphere is called?
    >>> >
    >>> > Robert
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>>
    >
    >


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