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Re: Distance off with Chicago buildings

From: Bill (no email)
Date: Thu Dec 01 2005 - 18:15:02 EST

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    > I'll dig out my calculations again and get back to you.

    Frank

    Still playing with your beach shots. It would appear that either your
    observations are approx. 4.2' minutes high or you are the victim of
    refraction. Since 4.2' minutes is a ton, especially for someone with your
    experience (and the differences in observed vs. calculated elevations are so
    close), I assume the Bowditch formula has problems with refraction
    (especially at larger distances) and/or the heat from the mills and Chicago
    are playing games with refraction.

    Following are results of my calculations using calculated angles and your
    observations with the Bowditch formula:

                  ANGLES
          Observed Calculated Diff
    Sears 30.8' 26.6' 4.2'
    Hancock 22.1' 17.8' 4.3'
             ----- -----
    Diff 8.7 8.8

    NOTE: Refraction is not considered in calculated angles.

                  DISTANCE (nm)
         Observed Calculated GPS
    Sears 21.07' 23.05 23.08
    Hancock 21.02' 23.50 23.53

    NOTE: All of these calculations assume building bases 30 ft above water
    level. As base height above water level increases, differences between
    calculated angles and observe may decease.

    NOTE: As Hancock is shown to be closer by observations and both fall short,
    I assume observed Hancock is to large.

                      METHOD

    As distance was known I flipped the Bowditch formula D = 1.17 sqr rt (H-h)
    with height of eye as 11 ft. to establish how much of the buildings were
    hidden.

    Then I subtracted the hidden portion from the heights, and added 30ft for
    distance of base above water level.

    With two adjacent sides (distance converted to a chords) and an angle of the
    "tilt" of the buildings off the observer's plumb (determined by height of
    eye and distance) I used the law of cosines on the oblique triangle to
    establish the length of the third sides.

    With those established I used the law of sines to determine the angles.

    With the angles for Sears and Hancock established, I plugged the building
    heights (plus 30 feet) and the angles into the Bowditch formula.

               OBSERVATIONS

    Won't be dropping smart bombs down smokestacks with the results, but with
    refraction ignored, very close. Both fell slightly short.

    In another test I used a theoretical star at observed angles (not corrected
    for refraction) of 10d, 20d, and 40d with the Earth's nominal radius
    (converted to feet) as height of object. The diagram forms a rhombus with
    sides equal to the earth's radius, which seems fair game as I am not clear
    Bowditch addresses the foreshortening and/or backwards lean relative to the
    observers plumb line of tall objects at larger distances. As the altitude
    angle increased the distance calculated using the Bowditch formula fell
    further and further short of the great circle distance from observer to GP
    of the body.

    If nothing else, it supports your feeling that refraction is not adequately
    accounted for.

    Bill


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