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Re: Time sights

From: Paul Hirose (no email)
Date: Wed Jun 01 2005 - 23:22:17 EDT

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    Fred Hebard wrote:
    > There are ways of transmitting signals both ways
    > to account for the various delays. Paul Hirose was kind enough to tell
    > us how this was done a few years ago; unfortunately, I didn't
    > understand the mechanism well enough to reproduce it here.

    I probably explained it badly. To illustrate the principle, suppose
    the clocks at either end of the line are in perfect synchronism. If I
    tap my telegraph key precisely at the top of a minute (according to my
    clock), your telegraph sounder clicks, say, 0.1 s later. From your
    viewpoint, your clock is 0.1 s *ahead* of mine.

    But if we exchange roles, I hear your ticks coming late by
    0.1 s. From my viewpoint, your clock is 0.1 s *behind* mine. By taking
    the mean of these results, the delay is cancelled and
    the true time offset determined. As a byproduct, the discrepancy between
    the two measurements, divided by two, equals the propagation delay.

    In practice, break-circuit clocks automatically generated the seconds
    pulses, which were recorded as helical ink traces on paper by rotating-drum
    chronographs. The equipment and techniques were developed with amazing
    rapidity. By the time of this report in 1858, telegraphic longitudes
    were routine:

    http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/cs1858_6.html

    The great length of the trans-Atantic cable did create technical
    challenges, but they were were quickly overcome:

    http://www.lib.noaa.gov/edocs/BACHE2.htm#CARDINAL
    ("A Cardinal Point for Longitude")

    According to footnote 26 at the bottom of that page, "The seconds in
    time of longitude of the Cambridge Observatory [i.e., the seconds
    portion of the Harvard College observatory time offset with respect to
    Greenwich] as determined with the 1927 North American Datum was 30.928
    and as determined in the 1983 North American Datum was 30.802. The
    original telegraphic determination of longitude fell approximately
    half-way between these values demonstrating beyond a doubt the accuracy
    of the 'American Method' of longitude determination."

    I recommend science writer Trudy Bell's article on telegraphic
    longitude, "The Victorian Global Positioning System" (about 840 k PDF):
    http://www.tbp.org/pages/publications/BENTFeatures/BellSp02.pdf


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