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Below is the original email from Stefan. A lot of people
responded that if the list moved to Yahoo they would quit.
That is why we went with me setting up the list. If you
look at the email you will see that the server looks like
it is having problems that would require it to be moved
even if Stefan was not moving.
Dear Live-Aboards,
My old server "crux" went belly-up on Saturday and I have
fixed it
only today, Thursday. Hence, some postings will have been
bounced (if they
don't appear within the next few hours). Very soon, it
will be replaced,
but I think the list needs to be moved to a better home
than the one it has
occupied for the last 14.5 years (it more or less
pre-dates the Web),
especially since I'm shortly going to Vienna on
sabbatical. I think Yahoo
Groups may be the place; a cousin of mine has had a list
there for about ten
years.
Stefan
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:43:53 -0400
wrote:
>
>
> Vern,
>
> Bob is way out of line and I almost responded directly
>to him.
>
> You've got my vote and I think if Bob read all Stefan's
>posts he'd be
> a bit more clued in.
>
> Rit
>
> Quoting :
>
>> I guess I am confused about how someone owns this list.
>>Yes Stefan
>> has put a lot into this list and I respect what he has
>>done. However
>> everyone that contributes to this list has a stake in
>>it. I don't
>> think the new list is my list it's our list and we all
>>just want to
>> make sure that we have a place to go.
>>
>> I for one am concerned that no one has heard anything
>>from Stefan.
>> Does this mean that if the server goes down again he
>>will not be
>> available to fix it? It has nothing to do with loyalty
>>to anyone it
>> has to do with making sure that we have a place to live.
>>
>> What could I possibly have to gain from hosting the
>>list? I am
>> actually a little offended by your comments Bob because
>>I have put a
>> lot of time into getting this running. Time I could
>>have been
>> spending with my family or doing the 100 other things I
>>have to do.
>> I am also offering my server and my bandwidth that I pay
>>for to the
>> list and asking nothing in return. Why? Because I have
>>gotten a lot
>> of useful information and help from this list and
>>anything I can do
>> to help to keep that information exchange going is
>>enough payment for
>> me.
>>
>> The fact that I am trying to join the new list to the
>>old one so that
>> we have the emails in both places should show that I am
>>trying to
>> keep this list and Stefan in the loop with everything.
>>Also if you
>> actually read the list you will see that I have gotten
>>several emails
>> asking what they need to do to join. I have not been
>>pushing it in
>> anyway.
>>
>> If I really wanted to steal everyone from this list I
>>would have
>> created the list in secret and then posted something to
>>the list
>> saying hey check out this new list I created. Even if I
>>had done
>> that what is to say that everyone would just leave this
>>list and join
>> mine? Is there some law I don't know about that says
>>people can only
>> be on one liveaboard list at a time?
>>
>> I had really tried to hold my tounge on this but the
>>fact that you
>> now have called me unethical kind of crosses the line
>>don't you
>> think? Maybe I should ask what you have to gain by
>>bashing me and
>> trying to keep everyone on a list that Stefan has said
>>he no longer
>> can support.
>>
>> If you choose to not join the new list because you have
>>some kind of
>> warped perception that there is some kind of hostile
>>takeover going
>> on then that is your loss. I will also be very happy to
>>send you
>> some tinfoil so that you can make a helmet to keep the
>>government
>> from hearing your thoughts since you seem to be prone to
>>thinking
>> that there must be some kind of conspiracy going on
>>here.
>>
>> So just to make sure we are clear. This is not a
>>hostile takeover,
>> nothing I have done is unethical, I was not in the
>>grassy nole, Elvis
>> doesn't live at my house, and all I want is for the list
>>to survive.
>>
>> Vern
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:02:22 -0400
>> "Bob Clinkenbeard" <> wrote:
>>> As a long time list member with a conscience, I think
>>>that any
>>> action to enlist members from this list, before giving
>>>the owner of
>>> this live-aboard list a chance to reply is not
>>>acceptable.
>>>
>>> I am very surprised that more of the members do not
>>>speak up.
>>>
>>> Where is the loyalty to Stephan?
>>>
>>> This list is working fine at this time and waiting to
>>>get his input
>>> will not kill anyone. What is the rush??
>>>
>>> If you use his list to advertise yours and then enlist
>>>members for
>>> yours....it is completely unethical.
>>>
>>> If that is the way it goes...I will not participate.
>>>
>>> Exercise some patience and wait for Stephan to reply.
>>>Trying to do
>>> this without his knowledge makes me wonder what is to be
>>>gained by
>>> the organizer of the movement.
>>>
>>> Bob Clinkenbeard
>>> 24' custom trailer trawler
>>> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong[1]
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Cc: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: lv-ab: comments on the new List
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the final descision is that everyone will resign
>>> up. I will send out instructions.
>>>
>>> As far as the replying goes on the new list when you hit
>>> reply it goes back to the list not the person who sent
>>>it.
>>>
>>> Vern
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:49:39 EDT
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 9/25/2007 9:24:28 PM Central Daylight
>>>> Time,
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> The new list is ready to go when ever we are.
>>>>
>>>> Vern
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what is the final decision on signing up?
>>>>
>>>> Or, do we just do nothing and will be on the new list?
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to make it when you reply to a message it
>>>> goes to the board
>>>> and NOT to the person that wrote the message.
>>>>
>>>> Ex: I wanted to reply to the list concerning the above,
>>>> but when I hit
>>>> reply, ONLY the person that wrote the message was in the
>>>> send to box. I had to cut
>>>> and paste the live-aboard address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Anita (Not quite full-time cruisers, but working on
>>>> it!)
>>>>
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