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From: Al Thomason (no email)
Date: Wed Sep 26 2007 - 18:52:20 EDT
Have to admit, I had not been tracking all that was going on in detail, just
noting that something was changing. So, please keep in mind what follows is
based just on these past two Emails.....
Vern: Your offer for time, and space is great. And anyone who actually
does something (as opposed to talk about) should be applauded. However, I
do think you should be working things out directly with Stefan off-line
before bring it to this list. As much work as you have put in over the past
few weeks, he has done 1000x that.
Perhaps you can figure out a way to contact Stefan, and work out the final
answer. Then you two can come back to the list and let us know! Doing else
wise, well, that just kind of seems like TW (now T&T) vs. TW2 :-)
-al-
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: "Bob Clinkenbeard" <>;
<>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: lv-ab: comments on the new List
>I guess I am confused about how someone owns this list. Yes Stefan has put
>a lot into this list and I respect what he has done. However everyone that
>contributes to this list has a stake in it. I don't think the new list is
>my list it's our list and we all just want to make sure that we have a
>place to go.
>
> I for one am concerned that no one has heard anything from Stefan. Does
> this mean that if the server goes down again he will not be available to
> fix it? It has nothing to do with loyalty to anyone it has to do with
> making sure that we have a place to live.
>
> What could I possibly have to gain from hosting the list? I am actually a
> little offended by your comments Bob because I have put a lot of time into
> getting this running. Time I could have been spending with my family or
> doing the 100 other things I have to do. I am also offering my server and
> my bandwidth that I pay for to the list and asking nothing in return.
> Why? Because I have gotten a lot of useful information and help from this
> list and anything I can do to help to keep that information exchange going
> is enough payment for me.
>
> The fact that I am trying to join the new list to the old one so that we
> have the emails in both places should show that I am trying to keep this
> list and Stefan in the loop with everything. Also if you actually read
> the list you will see that I have gotten several emails asking what they
> need to do to join. I have not been pushing it in anyway.
>
> If I really wanted to steal everyone from this list I would have created
> the list in secret and then posted something to the list saying hey check
> out this new list I created. Even if I had done that what is to say that
> everyone would just leave this list and join mine? Is there some law I
> don't know about that says people can only be on one liveaboard list at a
> time?
>
> I had really tried to hold my tounge on this but the fact that you now
> have called me unethical kind of crosses the line don't you think? Maybe
> I should ask what you have to gain by bashing me and trying to keep
> everyone on a list that Stefan has said he no longer can support.
>
> If you choose to not join the new list because you have some kind of
> warped perception that there is some kind of hostile takeover going on
> then that is your loss. I will also be very happy to send you some
> tinfoil so that you can make a helmet to keep the government from hearing
> your thoughts since you seem to be prone to thinking that there must be
> some kind of conspiracy going on here.
>
> So just to make sure we are clear. This is not a hostile takeover,
> nothing I have done is unethical, I was not in the grassy nole, Elvis
> doesn't live at my house, and all I want is for the list to survive.
>
> Vern
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:02:22 -0400
> "Bob Clinkenbeard" <> wrote:
>> As a long time list member with a conscience, I think that any action to
>> enlist members from this list, before giving the owner of this
>> live-aboard list a chance to reply is not acceptable.
>>
>> I am very surprised that more of the members do not speak up.
>>
>> Where is the loyalty to Stephan?
>>
>> This list is working fine at this time and waiting to get his input will
>> not kill anyone. What is the rush??
>>
>> If you use his list to advertise yours and then enlist members for
>> yours....it is completely unethical.
>>
>> If that is the way it goes...I will not participate.
>>
>> Exercise some patience and wait for Stephan to reply. Trying to do this
>> without his knowledge makes me wonder what is to be gained by the
>> organizer of the movement.
>>
>> Bob Clinkenbeard
>> 24' custom trailer trawler
>> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Cc: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: lv-ab: comments on the new List
>>
>>
>> I think the final descision is that everyone will resign
>> up. I will send out instructions.
>>
>> As far as the replying goes on the new list when you hit
>> reply it goes back to the list not the person who sent it.
>>
>> Vern
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:49:39 EDT
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/25/2007 9:24:28 PM Central Daylight
>>>Time,
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> The new list is ready to go when ever we are.
>>>
>>> Vern
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is the final decision on signing up?
>>>
>>> Or, do we just do nothing and will be on the new list?
>>>
>>> Is it possible to make it when you reply to a message it
>>>goes to the board
>>> and NOT to the person that wrote the message.
>>>
>>> Ex: I wanted to reply to the list concerning the above,
>>>but when I hit
>>> reply, ONLY the person that wrote the message was in the
>>>send to box. I had to cut
>>> and paste the live-aboard address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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