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From: Bob Clinkenbeard (no email)
Date: Wed Sep 26 2007 - 18:55:33 EDT
>I guess I am confused about how someone owns this list. Yes Stefan has put
>a lot into this list and I respect what he has done. However everyone that
>contributes to this list has a stake in it. I don't think the new list is
>my list it's our list and we all just want to make sure that we have a
>place to go.
If an artist creates something, he owns it. If it was my idea to create a
live-aboard list and I spent my time and money to get it to this point after
14 years, I would be very offended if someone tried to solicit my members by
advertising on "my" list...... that he had created another list and they can
all "resign up" based on some self concieved notion that there was a mandate
by the members. There is no mandate that I have seen.
>
> I for one am concerned that no one has heard anything from Stefan. Does
> this mean that if the server goes down again he will not be available to
> fix it? It has nothing to do with loyalty to anyone it has to do with
> making sure that we have a place to live.
You are right here about loyalty...this has nothing to do with loyalty, only
the lack of it.
>
> What could I possibly have to gain from hosting the list? I am actually a
> little offended by your comments Bob because I have put a lot of time into
> getting this running. Time I could have been spending with my family or
> doing the 100 other things I have to do. I am also offering my server and
> my bandwidth that I pay for to the list and asking nothing in return.
> Why? Because I have gotten a lot of useful information and help from this
> list and anything I can do to help to keep that information exchange going
> is enough payment for me.
You just made my case in the above paragraph!!
If this is done properly, I would appreciate and be just as loyal to you for
your hard work and losses you have listed above.
>
> The fact that I am trying to join the new list to the old one so that we
> have the emails in both places should show that I am trying to keep this
> list and Stefan in the loop with everything. Also if you actually read
> the list you will see that I have gotten several emails asking what they
> need to do to join. I have not been pushing it in anyway.
By posting on this list you have solicited the members to join another list.
>
> If I really wanted to steal everyone from this list I would have created
> the list in secret and then posted something to the list saying hey check
> out this new list I created. Even if I had done that what is to say that
> everyone would just leave this list and join mine?
Is
> there some law I don't know about that says people can only be on one
> liveaboard list at a time?
Sounds like you are soliciting to me.
>
> I had really tried to hold my tounge on this but the fact that you now
> have called me unethical kind of crosses the line don't you think? Maybe
> I should ask what you have to gain by bashing me and trying to keep
> everyone on a list that Stefan has said he no longer can support.
No need to hold your tongue, only to do this properly with loyalty and
respect. I am not bashing you, only trying to show that this is not the way
to "help the list". Be patient and perhaps we can all be supportive of your
efforts and the whole list can remain intact.
> If you choose to not join the new list because you have some kind of
> warped perception that there is some kind of hostile takeover going on
> then that is your loss. I will also be very happy to send you some
> tinfoil so that you can make a helmet to keep the government from hearing
> your thoughts since you seem to be prone to thinking that there must be
> some kind of conspiracy going on here.
No need to be offensive. I do not want to join a new list, only keep this
one in tact.
>
> So just to make sure we are clear. This is not a hostile takeover,
> nothing I have done is unethical, I was not in the grassy nole, Elvis
> doesn't live at my house, and all I want is for the list to survive.
>
> Vern
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Funny stuff Vern, be patient.
Bob Clinkenbeard
24' custom trailer trawler
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong
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