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Not only that, you also need self trailing winches too
to do the job right.
Now all of you tell me why would you want to carry that heavy
piece of equipment around in a heavy weather to rim your sails?
You need two hands to begin with if it is so powerful and has
that much torque, right. If you squeeze the trigger and don't have that much
of
a stance you will be a COB, right? And then you need trained crew for
COB recovery, right. And if you are short handed or single handed
and you are the only crew on board and you are a crew over board at
the same time, gets kind of difficult situation, right.
What is wrong using a 10" winch handle or a 12" in that respect?
DUHHHH?
Yanni Marinated
S/V Princess Thalia
Hamilton
www.yannismarine.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Southwinds Editor" <>
To: "Jeff Barfett" <>; "'LiveAboard List'"
<>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: lv-ab: 18 Volt Right Angle Drill conversion to a power winch
handle
> That was a wealth of information. Now I know why those winch buddy guys
> charge so much.
> They told me they really put a lot into it in design and construction and
> heavily tested it.
> If you got an extra $1000 - 1200 laying around and no time, they are
> probably the way to go.
> I don't even have an extra $100 laying around
> steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Barfett" <>
> To: "'Southwinds Editor'" <>; "'LiveAboard
> List'" <>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:49 PM
> Subject: RE: lv-ab: 18 Volt Right Angle Drill conversion to a power winch
> handle
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Thanks for the 'emergency lock washer' idea, I'll file that one away in
>> the
>> back of my mind to use someday - never know when that type of knowledge
>> will
>> save the day.
>>
>> The 'Red' thread lock liquid works like a charm. The drill will stall out
>> before the chuck will un-screw. As you most likely know, on 2 speed
>> winches
>> the reverse or counterclockwise speed is the most powerful. The downside
>> is
>> you really can't remove the chuck to vary the gearing - the RAD is setup
>> to
>> provide two speeds by removing the chuck and inverting the right angle
>> adaptor. However, the slower speed is just what you want for this
>> application.
>>
>> As far as I can tell the Winch Buddy is a Milwaukee right angle drill
>> with a
>> rubber type cover along with a winch bit, and a case - I saw some prices
>> at
>> $1,200 for their product. It actually got me to thinking to put one
>> together, especially when I found the winch bit on EBAY for $50. BTW
>> there
>> are two winch bits available - one is square (4 sides) the other has 8
>> sides
>> that fill all the milled slots in the winch, the one with 8 sides is a
>> better product, IMHO - I bought both to try. The drill sits more securely
>> in
>> the winch with the 8 sided one.
>>
>> I created a leather cover for the drill, more to keep damage to the boat
>> down as this drill has some weight to it, don't drop it on your foot.
>> Have 2
>> batteries for it. Extra batteries are somewhere around $125, but are
>> guaranteed for 2000 recharges. The technology on this V-28 is
>> impressive -
>> you can further research it on the web. The charger is a 120VAC unit and
>> the
>> old Trace MW inverter works fine with it. A 12VDC charger was on the
>> horizon
>> when I was buying parts and might be available now. Charging time is
>> approximately 1 hour. The batteries have a unique charge indicator built
>> in.
>>
>> So far, I have $400 in the V28 RAD, $125 for the extra Battery, $100 in
>> two
>> winch bits, $20 in leather and some time putting it all together. About
>> $650
>> - about half price it seems.
>>
>> The limitation here is the size of your winch - you can't expect to pull
>> a
>> 200lb person up the mast with a winch rated for 100lbs, the RAD will just
>> stall at some point - but you don't have enough arm strength to crank it
>> out
>> manually as well.
>>
>> I like my setup very much, money well spent as I was shopping Anderson
>> electrics which if you add installation, wiring, breakers, yada, yada,
>> yada
>> is about $7500.
>>
>> I find on my boat projects that taking the price of the part and multiply
>> by
>> three will get you very close to what it ends up costing
>> (installed/turnkey), I price my labor on these projects at a $75.00 an
>> hour
>> flat rate - no extra for nights, weekends or overtime though. The $75 an
>> hour is really cheap for the talent, engineering services and overall
>> quality of the work. The customer is generally thrilled with the end
>> result.
>>
>> Sorry to ramble on here - thought this might be of interest.
>>
>> Jeff on Southern Nights
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Southwinds
>> Editor
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:16 AM
>> To: Jeff Barfett; 'LiveAboard List'
>> Subject: Re: lv-ab: 18 Volt Right Angle Drill conversion to a power winch
>> handle
>>
>> I had an advertiser who makes one that solves all the problems you
>> confront
>> on this, and they designed it for a winch (Winch Buddy) but I thought the
>> price was high at a $1000 although I understand it was designed and built
>> to
>>
>> high standards for the job and water environment, although I thought you
>> could be 3-4 cordless ones like you have for the same price. If you had
>> an
>> impact-like adjustment like on a screw gun, but in reverse, it might
>> solve
>> the problem, but I await your findings after welding it on.
>>
>> I was in construction for many years and periodically used what I called
>> the
>>
>> emergency lock washer when I didn't have one: Just take some
>> pliers/visegrips and screw up the threads so a nut can't easily come off,
>> although if it breaks the screw, that might no work as my method still
>> allows you to remove the nut with some wrenches. It just can't come loose
>> on
>>
>> its own or real easily.
>>
>> Steve Morrell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Barfett" <>
>> To: "'LiveAboard List'" <>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:54 PM
>> Subject: RE: lv-ab: 18 Volt Right Angle Drill conversion to a power winch
>> handle
>>
>>
>>> Milwaukee has a newer version of the RAD drill in 28volts. Bought it and
>>> the
>>> bit, but have had problems operating the drill in the reverse mode as it
>>> keeps breaking the cap screw that helps hold the chuck onto the main
>>> threaded shaft. Into the service shop three times for replacement of the
>>> $3
>>> screw, no issues with these guys doing the work under warranty- talks
>>> with
>>> the factory guys didn't get me very far and gave up the idea of them
>>> helping
>>> with the issue. Was going to weld the chuck to the drill, but my welding
>>> guy
>>> told me to try the 'red' thread lock - this stuff needs heat to break it
>>> loose once set.
>>>
>>> The red stuff worked great - no cap screw in it as the last one broke
>>> and
>>> didn't replace it. Guess the 18 volt model didn't have the torque this
>>> bad
>>> boy has!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Sam
>>> Densler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:46 PM
>>> To: LiveAboard List
>>> Subject: Re: lv-ab: 18 Volt Right Angle Drill conversion to a power
>>> winch
>>> handle
>>>
>>> http://www.winchbit.com/
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rit wrote:
>>>> Has anyone seen this done?
>>>>
>>>> I heard someone was making one. Any info?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> rit
>>>>
>>>>
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