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From: Pascal Gademer (no email)
Date: Tue Jan 09 2007 - 11:36:28 EST
I've often seen manatees grazing sea weeds of the pilings... i dont'[ what
they're eating, i'm sure it's not the barnacles and shells but i see them
doing it. they like to hang around near pilings or sea walls...
aroudn So fl, we have manatee zones that are marked oct 1st thru april 15th
only, it is manatee season as they migrate south... are there any in
northern FL at this time of the year? i don't know... i'll take your word
for it.
" have not seen any "accidents or stupid behavior" in my neighborhood when
there were cops around"
well, that makes sense doesn't it ? t hat's why I'm glad to see them on the
water, on weekends where moronic behavior is the most frequent...
the dangers from small crafts going fast near marinas or in anchorages is
not only wakes, although a 20' CC at the wrong speed can produce a
significant wake. it's also the risk of collision...
pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm of Bandersnatch" <>
To: "Pascal Gademer" <>; "A LiveAboardList"
<>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Manatee Zones and Cop Patrols
>
>
> As you might see from my signature line, I am in northeast Florida, near
> Jacksonville and by "here" I mean where I am located. The Manatees
> hereabouts leave for warmer climes in the winter.
>
> The manatee zone descriptions where I am, although contradictory, do not
> mention distance off docks. I don't know what is on pilings where you
> are,
> but here they are covered with barnacles. I don't think anything eats
> barnacles.
>
> I have not seen any "accidents or stupid behavior" in my neighborhood when
> there were cops around. The closest was an outboard going around in
> circles after the operator fell overboard, but that was at night, there
> were no cops around, the incident was reported by someone on shore, and it
> was about two miles west of me.
>
> The cops only show up to patrol on the weekends/holidays in fine weather.
> I can only guess that is because there is more "business" to conduct then
> because there are more boats about. I doubt that these patrols would be
> in
> the budget it they didn't produce "revenue enhancement". If they would
> come out at night they would really clean up on bad light citations. From
> my observation, 20% to 50% of boats show illegal lights, mostly missing or
> obscured all-around whites (split or single lamp).
>
> Some months ago someone fired off two red flares inland. Apparently the
> flares were reported. The fire department rescue boat is normally sent to
> investigate this sort of thing and when they showed up I tried to contact
> them on Ch 16 to tell them the flares were inland but they did not
> respond.
> Upon contacting the USCG I was informed that the fire/rescue boats were
> not
> equipped with marine VHF radios. Go figure.
>
> Wakes are not a problem for us from "jet skis or smallish boats" because
> jet skis produce almost no wake at all and smallish boats produce smallish
> wakes. It takes weight and horsepower to produce a uncomfortable wake.
>
>
> Norm
> S/V Bandersnatch
> Lying 30 07.715N 081 38.394W
> Julington Creek Estuary FL
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Pascal Gademer <>
>> To: A LiveAboardList <>
>> Date: 1/8/2007 7:51:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: lv-ab: Key West CG letter
>>
>> "Those not in Florida may not be aware that the manatees go south in the
>> winter. There are no manatees here now. "
>>
>> are you saying there are no manatees in florida at this time of the year
>> ?
>> maybe in northern FL but i've seen at least 4 in the past couple of
>> weeks,
>> around biscayne bay. Last one was 10 days ago, off crandon beach, we
>> sort
>> off swam with him...
>>
>> if the manatee zone extends 300' for shore, it seems logical that it's
> 300'
>> from dock ends since manatees love to hand around docks and graze
> pilings...
>> not sure going fast just 100' from a dock is very wise either.
>>
>> since most accidents or stupid behavior occurs on weekends, that's were
>> they're needed the most. Personally, i'd like to see more patrols around
>> here (biscayne bay), I'm tired of idiots zipping around anchorages on jet
>> skis or smallish boats throwing big wakes...
>>
>> pascal
>> miami, fl
>> 70 hatteras 53MY
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Norm of Bandersnatch" <>
>> To: "A LiveAboardList" <>
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:55 PM
>> Subject: lv-ab: Key West CG letter
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I will scan the document when I can set up the gear, almost certainly
>> > sometime this week, then send it out to various people.
>> >
>> > I have spent many hours in this sort of political activism, especially
> the
>> > Melbourne affair, with very little result so I am not greatly
> enthusiastic
>> > about pouring more man hours into it, but I will do it "soon".
>> >
>> > BTW, two weeks ago a cop stopped me and wrote a Warning Citation about
>> > going too fast in my dinghy in a Manatee Zone, which he showed me in a
>> > manual stating it extends 300 feet from the shore. The "Manatee Zone"
>> > buoys are 960 feet from the shore measured by GPS. The dock I was 100
>> feet
>> > off when stopped measured 698 feet from shore by steel tape. Those not
> in
>> > Florida may not be aware that the manatees go south in the winter.
> There
>> > are no manatees here now. The cop acknowledged that, but said he
>> > didn't
>> > want people to get into the habit of going fast in the manatee zone.
>> >
>> > It was a pleasant Saturday morning. They are only around on nice
> weekend
>> > or holiday days, never at night. A blessing. I should be more
> observant.
>> >
>> > And the BS goes on...
>> >
>> >
>> > Norm
>> > S/V Bandersnatch
>> > Lying 30 07.715N 081 38.394W
>> > Julington Creek Estuary FL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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