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My experience and info concerning IBM laptops has been good. I retired my '97 unit last year w/no problems for the duration. Cat knocked it to the floor a couple times and reconfigured the PCMCIA slot slightly but everything continued to work fine. The T23 hasn't hit the ground yet, but seems well put together. A close friend did hardware support for a law firm for six years (left them this year) and preferred IBM hands down because he didn't have to "warrantee" them so often as the Dells and Toshibas. When they did need work, the mechanical components were relatively easy to replace and when he needed to send one in, service was fast and effective.
Clearly YMMV... I'm sure there are both gems and lemons in each manufacturer's product line.
The "hardened" machines don't seem to be a good value (as currently marketed) compared to good design and construction and keeping a 2nd and 3rd machine loaded and ready.
Rufus
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> To: , "Rufus Laggren" <>, live-aboa
> Subject: RE: lv-ab: [Fwd: Re: Panasonic Toughbook]
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:53:11 -0500
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> I concur. Ibm is junk in the sense of being tough. They have light
> ones, and ones that have long battery life, but none are tough.
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:40 PM
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> I can tell you from personal experiance that the Thinkpads are not
> reliable. Yes the new Lenovo group that does all of the IBM
> desktop/laptop sales and service for IBM is much better with repair work
> then IBM used to be but things are failing that shouldn't be in the
> first place.
>
> Not only are they not hardened in any way but don't stand up to normal
> usage. I have no choice but to use them as the place I work will only
> let me have a Thinkpad.
>
> My T-22 was OK. My T-40 was never right. I had all
> kinds of USB problems and other strange things. IBM before Lenovo took
> over said I spilled soda in it. I don't even drink soda so that would
> be impossible. I got a T-42 to replace it. The T-42 lasted about 6
> months before the HD failed and so did the motherboard. I am not sure
> if it was the MB that caused the HD failure or not.
> However the HD in this new machine was a referbed unit.
> I was able to get them both fixed but if it weren't for the fact that
> we do millions of dollars of business with them and I have some pretty
> high contacts in IBM because of the project I am working it would have
> been a lot harder to get fixed.
>
> I would never buy an IBM machine for my own use.
>
> Vern
> s/v Nirvelli
>
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:14:34 -0800
> "Rufus Laggren" <> wrote:
> > For reliable and "tough" laptops, I vote for IBM; most business's still
>
> > standardize on IBM's because of the savings in the medium term at
> > a slight additional cost up front. The laptop division was sold
> > to a Chinese firm last year, but they optioned the IBM Thinkpad
> > name for
> > 5(?) years and as I understand it's contingent on keeping the
> > quality up. They sell most models refurbed for major discounts
> > (1/3-1/2 new price). A friend bought one, but had to replace the
> > hard disk w/in 6 months of her purchase; but even w/that expense
> > (from a local computer
> > store) it was a great deal. Amazingly their tech support was able
> > to talk her through the whole replacement process over the phone!
> > (She's a
>
> > writer/gardener, never had a computer apart before.)
> >
> > Cheers, Rufus
> >
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