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Re: lv-ab: Collision Avoidance Via Radio

From: Lee Haefele (no email)
Date: Tue Jun 13 2006 - 06:42:35 EDT

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    You would need to check FCC regulations to see if this is a legal use of a
    Marine VHF, I suspect not. "Channel 16 is for hailing and distress only!"
    A few thousand radios auto transmitting every 5 minutes would totally clog
    the airwaves. Isn't this all what AIS is?
    Lee Haefele
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    From: "ahmet erkan" <>
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    Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:58 PM
    Subject: Re: lv-ab: Collision Avoidance Via Radio

    > >I'm not the author, but here's what I'd do.
    > .
    > .
    > .
    > .
    >>Jim.
    >
    > Hi Jim,
    >
    > Unfortunately the list has shown hardly any interest. Your reply and
    > hardware suggestions, however are appreciated at least by me.
    > I received a few off line responses and decided to drop the subject. As
    > they say, win some lose some. The live aboard group is interested in stuff
    > that is tried and proven to work. I've been advised to build a prototype,
    > test it in an actual voyage and report the results. I will do just that in
    > four to five years.
    > Here is what I expect to report :
    > The five minute timer times out every five minutes. (Duh)
    > The transmitter turns on after the timer times out. (Duh)
    > The voice chip sends "any station -any station" when the transmitter turns
    > on. (Duh)
    > The transmitter switches off when the voice chip finishes. (Duh)
    > The cycle repeats. (Duh)
    >
    > Again, this workaround scheme will be useful only if there is someone on
    > the bridge of the ship monitoring Channel 16, and responding to a call.
    > What I was hoping to do was something much better. I was hoping to get a
    > team effort going on the list to refine the automatic system with the
    > burst mode operation. I was hoping to write to radio manufacturers and
    > tell them there are hundreds of sailors who are interested and would like
    > to see the "electronic lookout" function on a basic VHF radio. Here are
    > the set of requirements we have developed etc etc. (ie: Do the market
    > research for the manufacturer, and let them decide how to implement, work
    > out the legal issues and manufacture it.)
    > The radio manufacturer probably cannot implement a design that broadcasts
    > voice periodically on Ch 16. (Even if they put a switch for the user to
    > activate it when at high seas)
    > I suspect the manufacturers would do all the sensing at the IF stage (ie:
    > detect and integrate the CW for 1mS etc) where the audio circuits would be
    > oblivious to the transponder like exchange. basically the whole thing
    > would work like two VHF radios detecting each other automatically and
    > activating alarms completely independent of the radio operators or crew.
    > I am going to send a suggestion to several radio manufacturers anyway and
    > ask them if they would consider offering a "electronic lookout" function.
    >
    >
    > All the best,
    > Ahmet
    > SV8827
    >
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