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RE: lv-ab: your risk, not mine

From: Richard Goodwin (no email)
Date: Tue Oct 04 2005 - 19:17:27 EDT

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    Hi Judy,

    > Dick,
    >
    > Read again what you wrote earlier:
    >
    > > And then they certainly can't afford to live in
    > > areas
    > > that cost more due to potential periodic flooding
    > or
    > > other disasters.
    > >
    > > There's plenty of room in other parts of the
    > country
    > > that don't have these problems.
    > >
    > > Dick
    >
    > That sounds like you are advocating that those who
    > cannot afford to live in
    > the flood-prone or disaster-prone areas should move
    > elsewhere where
    > disasters or floods are not likely to occur.

    As I pointed out in another email, I can't afford a
    home on the ocean in New England, because of the high
    prices of waterfront property, high taxes, and high
    insurance rates.

    But I can afford a home several houses or a block or
    two from the water, which is both far above the flood
    danger, and far below the cost of ownership of a
    waterfront home.

    I don't have to choose to live in a different part of
    the country. I just have to choose to live above the
    flood zone.

    I don't understand why you are getting so riled up
    about that concept.
     
    > There are a whole lot of the people from those
    > flooded areas temporarily
    > sheltered in this part of the country right now.
    > This area also floods.
    > Would you like them moved up near you where these
    > floods and disasters do not occur?

    There are already a lot of them living in various
    places in New England, an abandoned air base on Cape
    Cod for one example. It had all the housing and other
    facilities necessary, and locals were more than happy
    to provide supplies and other help.

    Is this a problem? If so, for whom?

    > Face it, all property owners nationwide who carry
    > insurance subsidize much
    > more than just hurricane-prone areas.

    Yes, that's the whole idea of insurance -- share the
    financial load of recovering from unexpected
    disasters.

    But this was not an unexpected disaster, which is why
    regular insurance doesn't cover it.

    > And all taxpayers subsidize the flood
    > insurance programs nationwide.

    Used to be that way, but more and more the premiums
    are going up, Up, UP for waterfront homeowners,
    especially in the worst flood zones. I have seen this
    first hand working with real estate people on the
    south coast of Mass.

    > Ice storm in Boston recently? Fires in New
    > Mexico last year? Fires in California now?
    > Flooding on the Missouri and
    > Mississippi Rivers too many times to count? How
    > many earthquakes in
    > California during the past century? Eruption of Mt.
    > St. Helens?

    All of these things are unusual and unpredictable, and
    happen rarely in the same place.

    But coastal storm flooding often wipes out houses on
    the same waterfront lots every few years. It is very
    predictable and not the least unusual. That's the big
    difference.

    > The insurance rates always are increased for the
    > affected areas for each
    > disaster, but the entire country also shares in the
    > true financial insurance cost.

    Well, yeah, it's insurance.

    > Best that I personally hope results from severe
    > damage of the two most
    > recent hurricanes is that the building codes in the
    > coastal areas be
    > ratcheted up to the Florida construction codes. But
    > that, I'm sure, is just
    > a pipe dream. The shoddy, cheap houses will
    > continue to be built.

    Yet another reason for the entire country not to help
    them rebuild. If they don't even want to take the
    simplest steps to try to help themselves, why should
    anyone else help?

    In Mass, Maine, NH, and every other coastal area I
    have heard of, building codes, or at least insurance
    codes, have changed to require much higher standards
    for waterfront property that is in flood zones. If my
    friend's house on the ocean ever gets wiped out, or if
    my friend even wants to add onto it, the whole house
    has to be raised up on stilts. These are hard and
    fast rules.

    Makes sense to me.

    Dick

                    
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