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From: Lee Licata (no email)
Date: Thu Aug 04 2005 - 16:16:18 EDT
To the list:
On a GOOD day, my voltage in my apartment in Ankara, Turkey is 223-225
VAC.
On a BAD day, it is 215.
Here at the marina in Kemer, (near to antalya) incoming voltage at the
head of the pier is 225 VAC at the first outlet, and at the end, some
25+ slips later, it was 222 VAC.
In Kas, (some 130 km SSW of Kemer) it was no higher than 221, and most
read 218 or 219
It may be my imagination but when walking the docks here, it appears
that the AC loads on board most of the boats is much (?) less than what
is on most American boats.
Example, I was recently aboard a 65' locally made Turkish "sailing"
vessel (no sails though, owner did NOT know how to sail!) and his AC
shore power cord was no thicker than my 120 VAC, 15 amp extension cord
at home. He had reefers and TV, stereo, and even satellite TV, and AC
in all 3 staterooms but still, it appeared that his only AC shore power
source was that "thin" cord!
Go figure.
Lee,
Ankara, Turkey
On Aug 3, 2005, at 00:59, Peter Gelinas wrote:
I guess the people who made the Air conditioner and genset are the ones
who will be able to tell you what a slightly lower voltage of 110V
(220V/2) or 50Hz will do to your units. Mike Brasler will jump in?? and
confirm that European voltage is a true 220V??
Not sure I understand what the genset is doing in the equasion, I
thought it was a diesel generator?
Standard Euro colors are blue and brown, ground is yellow/green,
instead of our black, white, green 120V and black, red, white, green,
240V. We all agree color isn't important ... but if you get a surveyor
or government surveyor on board ...
No fridge, freezer, battery charger, inverter, microwave, blender,
electric stove, TV (wont work anyway) DVD (will only work with imported
DVDs), CD player on board ??
Peter
> From: "Lee Haefele" <>
> Reply-To: "Lee Haefele" <>
> To: "Peter Gelinas" <>
> Subject: Re: lv-ab: European electric
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:10:23 -0400
>
> The basic items I am trying to figure out are the air conditioner, and
> genset. What color is EU wiring? There are just 5 outlets in the
> boat
> anyway, reasonably easy to rewire.
> Lee
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Gelinas" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: lv-ab: European electric
>
>
> > OK
> >
> > I have never done it, but if you are going to sell the boat in
> Europe,
> > doesn't that change everthing? Unless you sell it to someone who is
> going
> to
> > bring it to the Carib. etc, aren't they going to want a regular 220V
> boat,
> > instead of a 110V (yeah 117V) boat?
> >
> > At least your wiring is oversize because of the 110V, but if your
> boat is
> > going to be inspected and reqired to conform to European standards,
> > (insurane) the even the wiring is wrong (color)
> >
> > If I lived in Europe and was going to sail in Europe, I would not
> buy a
> boat
> > with 110V appliances running on a stepdown transformer. Where would
> I get
> > anything repaired or replaced?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > >From: "Lee Haefele" <>
> > >Reply-To: "Lee Haefele" <>
> > >To: "Live-Aboard at Crux dot Astro. Utoronto. Ca"
> > ><>
> > >Subject: Re: lv-ab: European electric
> > >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:20:58 -0400
> > >
> > >I am going to bring a "portable" generator home from work, slow it
> to
> 50HZ
> > >and see how each item works. It concerns me that when everyone
> talks
> about
> > >converting 220V they say to 110V, USA power is 120V +/- 5%,
> starting with
> > >110V, at the wrong freq, sounds like 2 strikes out already. Another
> boater
> > >advised me that his A/C worked fine on 50HZ, but the circulator pump
> would
> > >not, so the microwave turntable is another item to check. The plan
> is to
> > >sell the boat in Europe, so I will offload anything stateside that
> will
> not
> > >run on 50HZ.
> > >Lee Haefele
> > >
> > >Subject: RE: lv-ab: European electric
> > >
> > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought
> > > >
> > > > If all you want to do is cruise your boat in Europe for a couple
> of
> > >seasons,
> > > > then it is obvious that all you will need is a step down
> transformer
> > >220V -
> > > > 110V
> > > >
> > > > However .. under the assumption that some item on the boat will
> give
> up
> > >the
> > > > ghost while you are over there, it might be worthwhile to add a
> couple
> > >of
> > > > 220V sockets at strategic locations on in the boat, while your
> > >electrician
> > > > is installing the trafo. Get him to use double size wire, this
> way you
> > >can
> > > > use the circuit for 110V (after changing the socket) once you
> get back
> > > >
> > > > Also .. I wanted to bring a North American microwave unit to
> Europe,
> and
> > >the
> > > > manufacturers (several) warned me against using a 60Hz unit on
> 50Hz.
> > >Some
> > > > thing about the motor for the turntable. Yes you could use a
> wind-up
> > > > turntable but ... forwarned! It might be worth the 150$ to get
> one
> once
> > >you
> > > > are there. (If a microwave is an integral part of you sailing
> > >requirements).
> > > > I am told blenders take the transition without problem ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > >
> >
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