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Re: lv-ab: RE: Cat recommendations

From: Lee Haefele (no email)
Date: Fri Sep 24 2004 - 03:02:06 EDT

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    I had a long talk with the owner of an earlier, outboard powered Gemini.
    They loved it in the Bahamas, but advised they did not try to motor into the
    wind as it would not make any speed.
    Lee Haefele
    (Currently at Castelton on Hudson, with a group of grumpy sailors that were
    delayed 12 days on the Erie canal.)
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Sam Densler" <>
    To: "Jerry Peters" <>; "De Clarke" <>;
    <>
    Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:52 AM
    Subject: RE: lv-ab: RE: Cat recommendations

    > I am interested in continuing this discussion including input from
    > any current or past Gemini owners. A Gemini is still a possibility
    > but I have had very differing opinions, specifically regarding my
    > questions about its ability to cross the Stream to the Bahamas.
    > Several folks have told me they would never make the trip in a Gemini
    > 105 yet more than one have made it and said it wasn't that bad.
    > Bahamas capable is definitely a requirement so this is of significant
    > interest.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Sam
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > At 9:42 AM -0400 9/23/04, Jerry Peters wrote:
    > >Cats do sail differently. Their motion is unusual for the person used to
    > >monohull motion. The monohull plows through the seas at a heeled angle -
    > >the cat rides much higher and much more flat on the surface. Under
    certain
    > >sea conditions all cats will "pound" to windward. The bridgedeck
    clearance
    > >and hull shape configuration of each boat has a great effect on the
    pounding
    > >frequency and conditions - but all cats pound. They are designed with
    this
    > >realization. The effect of the pounding can be unnerving to the
    uninitiated
    > >but it is normal. With any boat and with any type of vessel there are
    > >various sea states and wind conditions and points of sail that lead to
    more
    > >or less comfortable sailing conditions. Each type of vessel has
    strengths
    > >and weaknesses. I can't speak to the Gemini 30 referenced below but "oil
    > >canning and table leaping" are not in and of themselves a problem. The
    > >flexibility of the bridgdeck structure is a planned design consideration.
    I
    > >put over 35,000 miles under my bridgdeck and did my share of pounding
    with
    > >no deleterious effect.
    > >
    > >Take care,
    > >Jerry Peters
    > >s/v Mucho Gusto
    > >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >From:
    > >[mailto:]On Behalf Of De Clarke
    > >Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:52 PM
    > >To:
    > >Subject: RE: lv-ab: RE: Cat recommendations
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >I'm not knowledgeable about cats so I have only one small data
    > >point to offer. I helped deliver a Gemini cat about 30 ft LOA
    > >or a bit more, down the coast of Central CA a few years ago.
    > >it was a nice ride off the wind, like surfing a picnic table,
    > >but on the wind it was a misery.
    > >
    > >
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