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Re: lv-ab: Uniforms: Anchors vs. Circles vs. Diamonds

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Date: Wed Jan 01 2003 - 21:10:16 EST

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    In a message dated 22-Dec-02 00:07:08 Eastern Standard Time,
    writes:

    > Well, no doubt Smallwood's is right, of course, but the way I
    > know it, the free anchor is worn by professional officers, and
    > the fouled anchor by amateurs. Sir Thomas Lipton would have
    > worn a fouled anchor for his America's Cup challenges. A
    > charter captain would wear a plain free anchor.
    >
    > Gold is worn only by Navy officers.
    >

    I agree about the plain anchor for professionals and fouled for amateurs, but
    in my years in the Merchant Marine all I can recall are stripes and symbols
    in gold.

    The deck officers had anchors and the engineers had propellers. Navy deck
    officers have a star. As a Radio Officer I had three gold lightening bolts
    and two gold stripes on my shoulder boards when I was issued them when
    working on a ship that carried (12 or fewer) passengers, the only ship aboard
    which I ever wore the insignia. On most other ships the Captain might wear
    shoulder boards (usually with kakis) when dealing with shoreside people. If
    I had been a Chief Radio Officer on a normal passenger ship I would have
    would have had three stripes. The Captain and the Chief Engineer both have
    four stripes.

    On regular tankers, freighters, or container ships I wore whatever I was most
    comfortable with, which varied from kakis to a jump suit, while on watch at
    sea. But when I had to deal with shoreside people I always wore kakis. Some
    skippers frowned upon shirts (T-shirts) without collars at meals, a request I
    always agreed with.

    I do not recall ever seeing circles, diamonds or silver thread on official
    insignia.

    An odd niche was the Chief Steward. While not a licensed officer, he was the
    head of a department and was entitled by contract to wear a uniform with
    shoulder boards and take his meals in the saloon, but in my 27 years at sea I
    only saw one man that did that and I cannot recall the insignia on his
    shoulder boards.

    It is a guess that silver thread might be for Navy Warrant Officers and some
    other folks that make supervisory decisions but are not in direct control of
    the ship.

    Norm

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