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And people like KARL, are the reason why we have so many rules and
regulations in place. What a pity.
>From: Karl Denninger <>
>To: Stan Gardner <>, Craig
><>, Liveaboard List
><>
>Subject: Re: lv-ab: rudeness
>Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:16:22 -0600
>
>Find me a place where I can go 20 nm and be where there is not another
>living soul around for 20nm any time I want - in said landcruiser.
>
>There is a HUGE difference between being in a public anchorage, which is
>open to the ocean or other water where you can have all the quiet you want,
>and an RV park that is privately owned and operated with rules set by the
>owner.
>
>I don't allow people to run their generator in my driveway.
>
>But I own my driveway.
>
>I don't own a public anchorage, neither do you, and, for that matter,
>neither does anyone else.
>
>If its a MOORING FIELD or DOCK, with an OWNER, then that OWNER can set
>rules. Fine with me. I'll either observe them or leave. So will you.
>
>An ANCHORAGE is not your own PRIVATE YACHT CLUB and you DO NOT have a right
>to set "Yachie rules, courtesy of Stan Gardner" for its use.
>
>You want to start that garbage I'll start a drive to make you *CUT DOWN*
>your standing rigging when it starts whistling in the wind - a noise that
>is a LOT louder and more objectionable than my genset when the wind starts
>a-blowing.
>
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>On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:22:34AM -0600, Stan Gardner wrote:
> > I absolutely disagree with this attitude. Most campgrounds you go into
> > these days have a "10PM Generators Off Rule". They have the rule
>because
> > most people consider it rude to keep people awake at night, and because
> > some people can't figure this out on their own. I suppose I need to
>lower
> > my expectations as people don't seem to be getting any less rude, but
>it's
> > rude just the same. Capt. Greg said it, "People only thinking of
>themselves".
> >
> > At 11:25 AM 4/3/02 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > >What's rude about it?
> > >
> > >A public anchorage is not your own private yacht club.
> > >
> > >Get over yourselves.
> > >
> > >I have AC on my boat and if I want to run it, the AC is up. I shut it
>down
> > >if I am comfortable with the AC off overnight, primarily to save the
>wear
> > >and tear on the unit more than anything else.
> > >
> > >It isn't about being rude. Its about having a reasonable set of
> > >expectations.
> > >
> > >Expecting complete quiet on the water, in a public place, is not
>reasonable
> > >any more than telling people to "shut up" in a shopping mall is.
> > >
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> > >On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 12:01:03PM -0500, Craig wrote:
> > > > That is what the article was referring to when speaking of
> > > rudeness. People
> > > > only thinking of themselves. Perhaps you could suggest the owner
>spend a
> > > > little money to do everything to quiet the generator.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:]On Behalf Of Greg
>Daley
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46
> > > > To: Liveaboard List
> > > > Subject: RE: lv-ab: rudeness
> > > >
> > > > For what it is worth,
> > > >
> > > > I skipper an Azimut 46, a million dollar twin diesel boat that looks
>like a
> > > > Ferrari on the water with two air conditioners and a 12.5 kw
> > > generator. She
> > > > has TV's, stereos, fridge, water maker, and much more on AC. The
>batteries
> > > > might last 6 hours with the DC light, blower and pumps on. The
>owner
> > > > recently purchased a $900 expresso machine (AC powered). If anyone
>has the
> > > > expectation of a boat equipped like this (and don't kid yourself,
>there are
> > > > many in the world) of turning off their genset at night, you're
>dreaming.
> > > >
> > > > Capt. Greg Daley
> > > >
> > > > Yacht Management, Power & Sail
> > > > Boat Deliveries and Charters
> > > >
> > > > www.CaptainGreg.net
> > > > (310) 463-6626
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:]On Behalf Of Craig
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:46 AM
> > > > To: Liveaboard List
> > > > Subject: lv-ab: rudeness
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://europe.cnn.com/2002/US/04/02/rude.americans/index.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The article above did not mention gensets in particular, but it did
>mention
> > > > isolation through watching television. Turn the genset and the
>television
> > > > off. It also mentioned the attitude, expressed by some on this
>list, which
> > > > anything one does is okay as long as one is happy. JD?
> > > >
> > > >
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