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From: Daryl Manning (no email)
Date: Tue Dec 04 2001 - 06:52:58 EST
You could always use Mozilla or Galeon. I find these both much better
alternatives than Netscape. Both are open source also. Opera has made some
headway as well from all reports, but I don't use it personally so I can't
really comment.
There are a lot of alternatives to whatever you're using (KWord (KDE),
AbiWord (Gnome) GobeProductive, StarOffice) and to replace most of your
office productivity suites if you're seriously interested. Some of them are
unbelieavably good and their ability to import and export Word files (except
for very, very complex ones) is startling.
Check sme of em out.
Daryl.
-----Message d'origine-----
De:
[mailto:]De la part de Susan Esher
Envoyé: lundi 3 décembre 2001 23:24
À: Jack Beale; List Live Aboard
Objet: Re: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
Hi. I'm NOT the one using netscape. Keith is. He's the one who wrote that
comment. However, if you're a software developer, you prefer IE because you
can't write programs with the same ease with netscape. hopefully, 6.2 will
change that because i always prefer not using MS stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Beale
To: List Live Aboard
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: Fw: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
Susan,
Like the man said: "You can still get a virus using NetScape...!"
However, Netscape's address book usually won't spread viruses like the
Outlook programs will. But, that said, many viruses can still spread using
their own built-in e-mail client on your server no matter what e-mail client
you use... even NetScape. If you think you're protected just because you
use NetScape, or Eudora, or Opera, or some other e-mail client, you're
fooling yourself.
P.S. = And, NetScape is just a couple steps (at least) behind IE and OE
in terms of functionality and ease of use.
Jack Beale
S/V Wildest Dream, Ho380
http://home.att.net/~jack.beale/computerguy.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith
To: Susan Esher
Cc: ; liveaboard List
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
Another reason I'm glad I still use Netscape.
Susan Esher wrote:
>
> This is correct. According to Microsoft, if you have the SP2 patch for IE
> 5.01 or IE 5.5, your outlook express will also be covered. I upgraded to
> SP2 on IE 5.01 after I got the badtrans virus (I use outlook express).
> Then, someone tried to send it to me again and I didn't get it, so I can
> vouch for the fact that the patch works, at least for this virus.
>
> Fair winds,
> Susan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daryl Manning" <>
> To: "liveaboard List" <>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:07 AM
> Subject: RE: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
>
> > Actually, you're not protected against the virus. You're protected
against
> > automatically being infected by the virus through outlook. Always make
> sure your antivirus software definitions are up to date.
> >
> > Also, keep in mind, there are a slew of security holes in MS that you
are
> > not getting informend about either (take a look at their site, or even
> > better the bugtrak site and see for yourself).
> >
> > The virus as the person mentioned correctly (badtrans.b) takes advantage
> > of a vulnerability in Outlook (and I think OE as well) to infect you
> > atuomtaically. If you've put the SP2 patch for IE 5.5 in you should be
ok.
> >
> > Daryl.
> > Paris, France
> > doublebooting linux and win2k =}
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De :
> > [mailto:]De la part de Steve
> > Weinstein
> > Envoyé : lundi 3 décembre 2001 04:17
> > À : liveaboard List
> > Objet : Re: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
> >
> >
> > I'm not going to defend MD (M/S...?) but the one thing they do to
rectify the
> > various bugs in their system(s) is to alert users to various bug fixes
through
> > their Live Update program. Granted sometimes it's a pain in the ass to
be
> > interrupted by the Live Update window popping up and asking do I want to
> > download now or later. I usually say "later" and close the window. But
I
> > do get around to checking the various updates and service packs
available.
> >
> > I mention this because I run Outlook, Outlook Express, and IE5.5 and
seem
> > to have dodged this new Badtrans virus. MS had a service pack (I
forgot the
> > number) earlier this summer which addressed security holes in the system
> > and plugged them. Between the updates and Norton (and their weekly Live
> > Updates) I guess I was protected (knock fiberglass).
> >
> > Steve Weinstein
> > Hydro-Therapy
> > A 1981 Cherubini 33
> > Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Dubnoff" <>
> > To: "liveaboard List" <>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: lv-ab: virus was: Clogged Drains & Long Hair
> >
> >
> > > At 08:03 PM 12/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Steve,
> > > > I think you are wrong on this. It can be recieved by anyone on the
> > > > list or any computer BUT it can only be spread by users of Outlook
> > > > and Outlook Epress.
> > >
> > > I agree -- I have received numerous copies in the last week or so.
But
> > > they are harmless to me, as my e-mail program (Eudora) will not
execute
> > > the code. One of the simplest ways to protect yourself and others is
to
> > > just say no to such "free" Microsoft software as Outlook Express.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Steve Dubnoff
> > > Nauticat 40 M/S, Pyxis, in Washington
> > >
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