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Re: lv-ab: Combiners to be demistified - please

From: Colin Foster (no email)
Date: Mon Nov 05 2001 - 20:38:45 EST

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    > My system is, in my opinion, screwed up, so here's the way I'm going to
    > rewire. I'm going to wire the starting battery, a single group 27
    > directly to the starter and other engine controls, just as if it were
    > the only battery on board. All the other 12V electrical equipment will
    > remain on the house batteries (2 banks of golf cart batteries maintained
    > by a Link 2000/Heart 2000 watt inverter). I'm putting a combiner
    > between the house and starting batteries. The combiner will go on the
    > post connected to the house equipment and I'll have to manually switch
    > to all to charge both batteries. Perhaps later I'll invest in a another
    > combiner to extend the convienience, but then I'd have to rethink the
    > Link connections.
    >

    SOMETHING WRONG HERE JIM. Why do you say you will have to manually switch
    to ALL to charge both batteries? That is what the combiner does for you
    automatically. Why do you think you will need another combiner later? Are
    you planning on adding a third bank of batteries? In case you are
    misunderstanding how they work, they are bi-directional so when the engine
    is running they will share the charge with the house bank. When the shore
    power charger is charging the house bank, the combiner will share that
    charge with the starting bank.

    > For emergencies, I'll just have to carry a set of jumper cables, in case
    > the starting battery won't. Or I could use a knife switch to parallel
    > them. Sorry, but I don't trust any relay to handle starter currents so
    > I'm wouldn't think of using the combiner to parallel during starting.
    > Warranties aren't worth much if the beast fails where Murphy lives, a
    > couple of light years from anywhere. 8)

    The 150 amp combiner uses a relay that is heavier duty than any starter
    solenoid you are using now. It can withstand 1000 amps inrush. The current
    is limited to some extent, however, by the gauge and length of wire you have
    to install as required by the instrucitons.
    If you use the 50 amp combiner, then it will only act as a booster for
    transferring power to the starting battery in an emergency. You would need
    the "ALL" setting on your switch or a jumper cable to get starting current
    capability.
    >
    > In normal conditions, all I'll have to do is remember to put the battery
    > switch in the both/all position when running the engine.

    NO that is what the combiner does. It automatically puts the battery banks
    in parallel when the engine is running and it doesn't forget to separate
    them when the engine is turned off, like you will.

    >Since the
    > house and starting batteries are quite a bit different, I suspect I'll
    > have to monitor the charge states of both to make sure I'm not over or
    > under charging one or the other with this setup. I may have to alter my
    > plans if I find that to be a problem.

    NO wrong again. When the combiner puts them in parallel, they are both at
    the SAME voltage so you can't overcharge. The regulator(s) will see them as
    one battery bank and charge them correctly with no supervision.

    >
    > That's my plan. Comments?

    Take a look at the COMBINER FAQ page at http://www.yandina.com/combInfo.htm
    , that will perhaps clear things up for you. You can also download the
    owner's manual from http://www.yandina.com/manuals.htm. That has some
    sample circuit diagrams and a full description.

    Colin Foster,

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