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Re: lv-ab: Deadly gas

From: Rosalie B. (no email)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2001 - 08:15:56 EDT

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    On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 07:25:04 -0400, you wrote:

    >> Please be safe everyone.

    We have only electric heaters for at the dock, and on the hook we just wear
    more clothes to bed. We sleep in the aft cabin, so running the stove is
    not an option as it is in the main saloon. We have kerosine lamps which
    help a little, and we leave the door to the head open because the engine
    room is just on the other side of that and it holds its heat for quite
    awhile.

    >How do gasoline engines and diesel engines compare with respect to
    >carbon monoxide production? Is diesel any safer in that respect than
    >gasoline?

    I used to do industrial health work before I retired, and one of the things
    I did on occasion was sample for carbon monoxide at various sites (trash
    transfer stations, stores where they used a propane floor buffer,
    warehouses or factories where they used gas, diesel or propane fork lifts,
    and other such sites).

    First it is important to know that carbon monoxide does not have to
    displace oxygen to kill you. The CO has a greater ability to bond with the
    hemoglobin in the blood than oxygen does. There can be plenty of oxygen,
    and that little tiny amount of CO will still kill you.

    Having said that, when I sampled exhausts from vehicles (at the transfer
    station), the big diesel trash trucks made hardly any impression on the
    meter while little pickup trucks and cars would peg it right over.

    I packed away my technical books, but when you are figuring how much
    ventilation one needs for a space where a non-electric fork lift is used, I
    think I remember that gasoline takes more ventilation than the other two
    propulsion methods. I can't recall for sure whether diesel or propane
    needed the least but I THINK it was propane.

    However running a propane floor buffer in a Janesway store for less than an
    hour and a half in the morning with the ventilation off produced enough
    carbon monoxide so that the concentration in some areas of the store to
    make the level over safe limits and also enough to give the employees bad
    headaches. Sampling devices on employees reached the allowable limits for
    8 hours by lunchtime.

    I have a friend with a genset, but he won't run it until he gets the CO
    monitors installed, and I think he has the right idea. If I was going to
    burn anything other than a candle, to get warm, I'd want the CO detector
    with a good loud alarm first.

    grandma Rosalie
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