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Re: Safety hazard ( was Re: lv-ab: Galvanic current)

From: Richard Goodwin (no email)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 08:08:04 EDT

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    > Richard
    > The advice you posted to the lv-ab list regarding how to deal with a stray
    > current problem is very dangerous!
    > Cutting the ground wire is not recommended!
    > In fact it violates several standards because it will increase the risk to
    > occupants in the boat and anyone in the adjacent waters.

    A general phrase like "cutting the ground wire" contains more dogma than
    information. I'll try to make this clearer:

    Let's use a concrete example of why there are safety grounds and what
    they can do for you. Take a simple case like an electric heater plugged
    into a grounded outlet. Let's say that the heater develops a short
    inside so that the hot 120v wire comes into contact with the metal case
    of the heater. Without the ground connection, if you were to touch a
    ground, like your engine block, and the case of the heater at the same
    time, then 120v would go through you. But with the ground connection,
    the fuse will blow instead, or the gfi, and you will be spared the
    experience.

    So if you disconnected the ground wire from the heater to the outlet you
    would indeed be in danger of a shock. Or if you disconnected the ground
    connection between your 120v outlet system and your boat's ground you
    would still be in danger of a shock if you touch the engine and the
    heater case at the same time.

    Appliances with AC motors can also generate induced current in their
    cases, even without there being any short circuit internally, so a
    safety ground will protect you from that as well.

    But this case is different. In this case the 120v AC outlets are
    grounded properly to the boat's ground, and therefore to the surrounding
    seawater. The problem is that they are ALSO grounded through the shore
    power's ground wire to some ground somewhere on shore. There are TWO
    separate grounds!

    And that's where the problem is coming from. You don't need TWO
    grounds, you only need ONE. And you especially don't need TWO grounds
    which are at different electrical potentials from each other. This
    could create the very danger to people on board or in the water that you
    want to avoid.

    I have many years of experience with matters electric, including just
    this sort of problem on boats. By the way, this problem -- differing
    ground potentials -- is not just a problem with boats, I have seen
    exactly the same problem on land many times, leading to some very
    strange computer malfunctions.

    So again, I would disconnect the ground connection between the shore
    power and the boat where the shore power comes into the boat, or the
    equivalent. And of course make sure your 120v AC system is grounded
    properly to your boat's ground and therefore to the surrounding
    seawater.

    The next question is: Isolation xformer or not?

    If you put in an isolation xformer, then you are truly isolated from
    anything that can happen to the power or ground beyond your boat. This
    is the best idea. You would want to pick one side of the isolated 120v
    circuit to be neutral, and tie it to the safety ground, and make sure
    all outlets are wired correctly, same as what you would find on shore.

    But do you need an isolation xformer? That's the intriguing question,
    and personally (this part is not advice, but is only my personal
    opinion) I would not bother with one, but I would protect the 120v
    system with a gfi that can shut down the 120v supply to the entire
    boat. I would do that in any case, actually.

    You would have the same electrical potential between neutral and ground
    as you had previously between the two grounds, but that should not cause
    problems, unless you have an appliance that internally connects neutral
    and ground for some reason. I have not seen this done since the last of
    the old cheap tube type televisions. People used to call up and say, "I
    get a shock whenever I touch my TV!" We would tell them, "Turn the plug
    around." Things have improved much since those days.

    Dick
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