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Re: lv-ab: Catamaran life...

From: SnJ - (no email)
Date: Tue Jul 10 2001 - 08:29:12 EDT

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    You are quite correct in your observation. Unfortunately, I suspect that the
    unpredictable nature of wave action as compared to the relatively
    predictable nature of wind action appears to make it very difficult to
    quantify wave action in a meaningful way from an engineering point of view.
    I have seen no data that manages to accurately depict the affect of wave
    action on boats from a strictly engineering point of view. I have always
    assumed that it is because there are too many variables at play (height,
    frequency, direction, wind direction, wind speed, wave speed, etc.). Maybe
    it's just because I haven't looked hard enough.

    My point was made simply to illustrate that a cruising cat is a very stable
    vessel. They don't run on one hull like a hobie cat is designed to do. If
    mine ever did that I would have a cardiac. Indeed I recently read an account
    of a 50 foot racing cat (note: not a cruising cat...a serious go fast boat)
    that was running in 20 foot + seas, at over 30 knots of speed when it
    turned over in the north Atlantic. It surfed down a wave and the bows buried
    under a wave as they caught up to it, and it pitch poled. The entire crew
    was able to seek shelter in the upturned hull and wait for rescue. They were
    stuck for a couple of days like that. Two tugs showed up and managed to turn
    the boat back over and tow it to harbour. Later, the skipper admited that he
    knew that they should have been taking better precautions, but that the
    genereal feeling of "well being" lulled them into a false sense of security.
    He admited that they were going way too fast for the sea and wind conditions
    and that his error was the cause of the accident.

    That really is something to remember when cat sailing. I have torn along at
    14 knots, and honestly felt extremely comfortable..no heeling, no really
    obvious sense of speed except for the woosh of the water off of the
    transoms. It would be easy to become complacent, especially without a knot
    meter aboard. And that is a major key to cruising in a cat safely in my
    opinion. It's time to reef the minute you think of reefing. You don't mull
    it over and consider the possibility. If the subject crosses your
    mind...it's usually time. I'd be interested to hear what other cruisers on
    multihulls think about that.

    >From: Richard Goodwin <>
    >To:
    >Subject: Re: lv-ab: Catamaran life...
    >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:59:20 -0400
    >
    >You seem to be addressing how a cat can be rolled due to the wind, but I
    >would think it more likely that a cat, or for that matter any boat,
    >would roll or pitchpole due to some combination of wind and waves,
    >especially a nice big surprise wave. Is there any data available on the
    >relative behavior of cats and monohulls in extreme wave conditions, or
    >combination wind/wave conditions such as you might encounter if you get
    >caught out in, say, a tropical storm?
    >
    >Dick
    >
    > > The point = Rolling a properly designed cruising cat (theoretically)
    > > requires :
    > >
    > > 65 knots of wind on the beam
    > > Full genoa (not reefed)
    > > Full main (not reefed)
    > > Both sails sheeted in tight as a drum.
    > >
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